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Oral Questions  
December 2, 2008

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MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister’s actions and dictatorial approach to democracy have left this country in a political upheaval. The Prime Minister’s attempt to attack democracy and eliminate funding for Opposition parties was certainly the actions of a heavy-handed leader. Mr. Speaker, what happened in Ottawa is not unlike what has been happening in Newfoundland and Labrador when the provincial government members rejected funding increases to Official Opposition parties, especially this party in the House of Assembly.

So I ask the Premier today, Mr. Speaker: Did you direct or in any way, shape or form discuss the issue with the government members of the House of Assembly Management Commission on how they should be voting with regard to funding for the Official Opposition in Newfoundland and Labrador?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, as the Government House Leader certainly I sit on the Management Commission of the House of Assembly, along with other colleagues, being the MHA for Topsail, and the Minister of Transportation and Works. Mr. Speaker, we have an open debate in the Management Commission. It is a televised debate. It is one where we are able to put forth our suggestions, our ideas, our opinions and then we also have an opportunity to vote. There are rules established around the Management Commission as regarding who sits on that Commission, how we deal with issues, and we deal with those issues in a very public manner. Mr. Speaker, it is all recorded, as you would know, in Hansard and it is also available to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador through the television. So, Mr. Speaker, we go to that, we perform our role and we certainly make the decisions that we are, I guess, empowered or we have the authority to do at that Management Commission.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

But my question is for the Premier. In light of what we are seeing happening in the country today, in light of the fact that in Newfoundland and Labrador government members rejected funding for the Official Opposition as part of a democratic process, I ask you Premier: Did you engage in any discussion in any way with the members of the management committee from your own caucus in terms of how they should be voting with regard to this funding?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, the decisions that were made regarding the funding were made at the Management Commission and were made by the people who sat on that Commission. We have heard it over and over again that the Opposition has no funding but, in fact, Mr. Speaker, following the election in 2007 there was a decision made by the Management Commission at that time, although I was not a member at that time, that without any background or any reasoning just felt that resources needed to be increased and $100,000 at that time was given to the Official Opposition and the Third Party. When it came to the Management Commission, there was a decision made regarding the resources based on a report, but not necessarily the fact we had to accept a report, they were recommendations that came to the management committee and the people who sat on the management committee had the authority to make decisions. Based on that, we certainly felt that the decision to have base funding for all parties at $100,000 was reasonable, and, Mr. Speaker, the Official Opposition received that $100,000 as well.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, this is the same member today who talks about fiscal prudence who went in there and voted for increases for her own caucus, increases far and above what was even required or asked for but ignored the independent recommendations in the report that said the Official Opposition in the Province should have more resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, I ask the government today. Differentiate yourselves from your cousins in Ottawa, don’t take the approach of Prime Minister Harper, and revisit this issue and allocate the funding that was recommended to the Opposition in Newfoundland and Labrador so we can have a proper democracy in this Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Don’t try and compare us to what the Harper government has done in Ottawa. We have not done anything with regard to cutting off any political funding for your party. It is up to you to go out and raise whatever funds you want to go out and raise to support your party; it is a completely different issue.

What has happened in this Province - and I concur with the decision of the management committee, I concur with the decision of the majority of the management committee. In fact, there was a base allocation that was given to each party of $100,000. Yours was given to you early - that was not even mentioned. You came back and you asked for $150,000 more. So you wanted the NDP to have $100,000, the Conservatives to have $100,000, but the Liberals should have $250,000.

When we were in Opposition we had $28,000 per member for nineteen members. You have $150,000, $150,000, $150,000, plus the $150,000 that you are paid as Leader of the Opposition. So that is $300,000 plus for you alone to do your job, and $150,000 for you, and $150,000 for you, plus your salaries. Now that is enough money for three people as far as I am concerned!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you Mr. Speaker.

If the Premier is going to speak to it, speak with the facts I say to you, hon. member. Because let me tell you, Mr. Speaker, it is not what we asked for, it is what was recommended by an independent consultant hired and paid for by the House of Assembly in Newfoundland and Labrador. It was that individual in that report that recommended the funding configuration for the Official Opposition. It was your government who voted for more money for your own party, more money for the NDP, but less money for the Official Opposition.

I ask again: In light of the fact that we have independent consultant reports that justify the funding being given to the Opposition in Newfoundland and Labrador and looking at it under the premise that we are the lowest funded in Atlantic Canada, will you do the right thing and will you ask your members to support the additional funding for the Opposition office?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order please!

The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, the management committee makes the decisions. The consultant does not make the decision. As far as I am concerned, the fact that each one of the hon. members opposite are receiving an extra $150,000 each is enough money for them. When we break out what our forty-four members are getting as support for what they do – and they are also members of this House of Assembly – they are averaging out at about $13,000 each. They are now getting $13,000 extra support if we average it out.

When we were in Opposition we got $28,000 for support and you are getting $150,000 each, in addition to your salaries and in addition to the CAs, Constituency Assistants, that hon. members opposite have as well. Now that is a lot of money for three people, I can tell you right now. I do not care what they recommended, as far as I am concerned, I concur with the Management Commission on their decision.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The hon. member can spin this however he wants. The reality is that three years ago, on a pro-rated basis, when you were the Leader of the Opposition five years ago you were getting more money to run that office then than we are getting today, and that is a fact, Mr. Speaker. That is the fact!

Mr. Speaker, let me –

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order please!

I ask members to allow the hon. member to ask her questions.

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Let me move on to this question since the Premier is speaking today, let me ask this question: Mr. Speaker, media reports have indicated – I asked your minister yesterday, I did not get an answer – that the federal government is considering the sale of federal assets, including the 8.5 per cent share of Hibernia. Now, over the last number of weeks we have heard your comments in the media about you kissing and making up with Prime Minister Harper. In the course of that happening, were there any discussions in those friendly sittings that you had with regard to the purchasing of those assets that are currently there in Hibernia?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, we are constantly evaluating and re-evaluating our oil assets, we are re-evaluating the Hibernia piece, which is now, of course, worth somewhat less as a result of the price of oil, but now, because of the political dynamic which is happening in Ottawa, if, in fact, a coalition forms the government as early as possibly next week, we will have a Liberal-NDP coalition, the NDP, through Jack Layton, have offered to transfer the 8.5 per cent interest in Hibernia to the Province (inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: So my question to you would be: Why pay for it when you can get it for nothing?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I certainly thank the Premier for his response, because my next question was how he was going to challenge the NDP to meet that obligation.

Mr. Speaker, we also know that the Harper government does not support a loan guarantee on the Lower Churchill, but in the process of this strategy that is going ahead now to look at a potential coalition government in Ottawa I ask the Premier: What will be the strategy of this Province to ensure that we get a secured commitment this time from the government on the Lower Churchill?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, the current Prime Minister, Prime Minister Harper, had indicated verbally that he would support a loan guarantee.

Our strategy on a go-forward basis would be to obtain the 8.5 per cent interest from Hibernia, it would be to obtain a loan guarantee from either the Harper government or a coalition government, and, in addition, it would be to obtain infrastructure funding – rapid infrastructure green funding – from a coalition government or a Harper government in order to help fund the Lower Churchill and/or a transmission line from the Lower Churchill to provide power to other areas.

I have in my hands a copy of the policy accord from the recent coalition which was formed. It is interesting to note that they have a fairly detailed proposal laid out with regard to an economic stimulus package, rapid support for those affected by the crisis, other priorities, and in their economic stimulus package it states: accelerating existing infrastructure funding and substantial new investments, including municipal and interprovincial projects, transit, clean energy, water corridors and gateways.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I would ask the hon. Premier to complete his answer.

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would suggest, as a result of this accord, if you took the time to read it, you would realize that a new coalition government would support, in fact, clean energy and water, and that is what the Lower Churchill is all about.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday we also posed questions with regard to the economic shift that we see happening in the country, and how it is affecting our Province. The ministers that responded said it is business as usual. Well, Premier, it is not business as usual for many of the industrial sectors out there in the Province today, and the people who are affected.

I ask you: At what stage will your government now bring forward an action plan to address the economic situation in Newfoundland and Labrador and to give us a new fiscal update and outlook?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, I have already indicated in this hon. House, and the Minister of Finance has indicated in this hon. House as recently as yesterday, that there will be an economic update which will be provided while this House is sitting, during this current sitting, and that will be sooner rather than later. That will, in fact, happen.

We will continue to do exactly what we have been doing for the last five years, and that is to run this Province properly, fiscally responsibly, and to put us in the best possible position that we could be in, in a very dire economic situation.

So we are well positioned. We will continue to do what we are doing. We will continue to do it right. We are monitoring on a daily basis absolutely everything that is happening, and I am sure the people of Newfoundland and Labrador are quite comfortable with us at the helm in this particular time.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

When I hear that we are maintaining the status quo and it will be business as usual, Mr. Speaker, I do not sense that there is going to be any stimulus package in Newfoundland and Labrador to help offset some of the things that are going on.

I ask you, Premier: Is this part of the strategy that you are working on, and will we see some additional investments in the economy?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, at this point in time we have no reason to believe whatsoever that we will be cutting back on our infrastructure program in any manner whatsoever. We are spending as much as a half billion dollars a year on infrastructure. That includes roads; everybody in the Province can see that. They drive over them every day; they know what we are spending on our roads. That includes schools, as the Minister of Education knows. That includes hospitals, as the Minister of Health knows, and long-term care facilities. That includes municipal infrastructure, as the Minister of Municipal Affairs knows, and it goes on and on and on.

We are spending as much as we can to stimulate the economy without overheating the economy, and making sure that we get the best bang for our buck, and we will continue to do so.

Thank you very much.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In the last couple of days I have asked questions of the Minister of Natural Resources with regard to IOC, and to tell us what is happening with IOC. Again we have breaking news, after just asking her questions yesterday, of temporary employees and students who are definitely going to be impacted.

I ask you today, Minister: Can you give us some real information in terms of the number of temporary jobs that are impacted, and what the impact is going to be to subcontractors in that area?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources and Deputy Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

IOC informed me on Friday morning, Mr. Speaker, that they were going to delay Phase 1 and Phase 2 of their expansion program, that this would not have an impact on their permanent employees other than it might have an impact on overtime. The delay of the expansion is going to have an effect on services that they would have contracted to do pieces of work around that. It would have an impact on temporary workers who would be called upon to do that kind of work.

They did not provide to me at that time the numbers that were affected for potential people who would be involved in that contract. My main concern at that point in time, Mr. Speaker, was for the permanent employees of IOC, and I am glad to know that there will not be any layoffs of permanent employees at IOC at this time or in the short term.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Do you have any idea how many temporary employees will be impacted, how many of the students that normally would go to work there - because, as you know, the mining training facility is there and those students depend upon that company for that work for part of their schooling as well - and can you tell us any idea what the scope of the business impacts are going to be in that area? Do you have a handle on this at all?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Mr. Speaker, I am called upon to do many things, as a member of this House of Assembly and as a member of the Cabinet of this government. To manage the business plans of IOC is not one of them.

Now, Mr. Speaker, I do not have information on the expected number of people who would be given contracted services. We know the terms of the money that was announced for that expansion, and it is significant, but they are not people currently under the employ of IOC either in terms of temporary workers or contractual services.

I will undertake to go back to IOC, to see if they can provide any information with regard to that, but I do not have it at the moment, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, the entire industrial sector in this Province is shifting. The minister could not tell us what was going on with Abitibi in its future in Grand Falls. She cannot tell us what the impacts are going to be with the changes in IOC in Labrador West. We have Wabush Mines today going in to meet with their unions, to look at where they will be downsizing.

Maybe, Minister, you could give us an update; tell us what the future of Wabush Mines is going to be, the amount of workers going to be impacted there, and what the impact is going to be in the local economy?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Deputy Premier and Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I am going to tell you quite honestly, I am not interested in engaging in this kind of foolishness with the member of the Opposition. This is a very, very serious time for industrial workers in this Province, in Grand Falls-Windsor, in IOC, and certainly in Wabush today as the management meets with workers to find what is in store for them over the next coming months.

Mr. Speaker, we are engaged on a daily basis with these companies. We are being proactive and supportive where we can. We are doing everything that we can in the Province to provide an economic stimulus. We are encouraging the federal government in whatever form that it takes to come with an economic stimulus program so that we can ride out this storm, and hopefully, have something to work with at the end of the day that we can rebuild the economies in these commodity markets.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am pleased to hear that the minister at least thinks it is serious. So maybe she can get a better handle on what is happening in all of these sectors because it affects every single one of us in Newfoundland and Labrador, I say to the minister.

Yesterday the government announced the results of this year’s offshore land sales. The numbers for this year are way down, with total bids of $2.4 million and three of five parcels not receiving any bids.

I ask you minister: Have you been given any indication, do you have any idea as to why the interest is down this year? Is it a result of the downturn in the economy or is it business as usual, like you said yesterday?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Mr. Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition gave us a history lesson yesterday on Abitibi and its operations here in Newfoundland and Labrador over the last 100 years. I would respectively suggest that she start using some of that research money, not on that piece, Mr. Speaker, but what is going on in the world today so she can better understand it.

So yes, we have -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask members for their co-operation.

The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I am happy to report that in the land sales that we have had in the last two years, we have commanded some of the highest prices for land for oil exploration in this Province since the beginning of that whole industry here. The lands that we had for sale in this last round, Mr. Speaker, are in areas that there has not been a lot of prospecting; they are a very challenging environment. We are absolutely delighted that one of the land sales was picked up in the Sydney Basin. So there are absolutely reasonable answers to why – given the price of oil and the times that we are in – those land sales were not picked up.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order please!

The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Justice. I asked a couple of questions yesterday about the release of the recent report that was done into the correctional facilities, submitted in September, not yet released. The minister indicated, or did not give us much timelines as to when it would be other than that it would be.

In the course of answering a second question yesterday, the minister indicated – when I asked about the preventable death at HMP and the suicide, would there be any further inquiries into those particular incidents. You indicated you had had some conversations with the general public.

I ask the minister specifically, I understand a former minister did meet with the parent of one of the deceased and asked that some specific action be taken. Did you, in fact, follow up on the commitments that were made by the former member? Because according to our information, the parents have not had any further contact or follow up from the Department of Justice since that meeting took place.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice and the Attorney General.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, I do not know what parent or what person the hon. member is referring to. Since I have become Minister of Justice I have had meetings with the parent of one person who suffered a death. The questions were asked. I met with the parent at his request. I have had discussions with the officials of my department and at the appropriate time we will make the appropriate decision.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The ministry has obviously found enough in the report so far, or the former minister did, to justify the firing of Superintendent Scoville and the second in command, Ms Aylward, I understand.

Can the minister tell us, this report that you are so far keeping secret, have you picked anything else out of the report or acted upon it in any way that we are not yet aware of, in addition to these firings?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice and the Attorney General.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, first of all, let me say that it would be totally inappropriate for me in my capacity as the Minister of Justice, to comment on any personal employment matters, and I will not do so.

Secondly, as I said yesterday in this House, government is going through the normal processes and protocols that it would be involved with respect to the release of the report, and when the report is released, and it will be released very shortly, the answers to the questions will be apparent.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In June of 2007, the Office of the Citizens’ Representative released a report recommending improvements to the Newfoundland and Labrador Correctional Centre for Women at Clarenville. It noted at that time, 2007, that there was insufficient programming and no counselling team had even entered the facility since 2006. We are now aware of further problems at Clarenville.

I ask the minister: Was the report of 2007 by the Citizens’ Rep ever acted upon?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice and the Attorney General.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, as I said yesterday in the House, my predecessor in the Department of Justice, with a view to safe living and working conditions in all of our correctional institutions, including the women’s institute at Clarenville, hired two officials with - or contracted with former senior managers of the Correctional Services of Canada to do a complete and independent review.

That review is very all-encompassing. It was a very comprehensive report. There are seventy-seven recommendations over ten general themes, and that report will be released shortly. We look forward very much to the recommendations and how it can help the correctional system in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, last year I went around this Province with a clock to draw attention to the interest on the public debt. I think this report will draw attention and make the needs of the correction services of this Province part of the public debate and public discourse to the Province of Newfoundland. That is very important, and we all look forward to it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday and the day before I had some questions for the Minister of Government Services, and I just have a couple of more that I would like to put to him to get more information on what I have been asking about.

Yesterday, the minister said that he did not believe that all occupational diseases can be covered at all times under regulation and that diseases will continue to develop and be recognized as time goes on, and that is so, I understand that. However, the evolving nature of occupational disease is not a reason to remove the listing section for the OHS regulations.

In particular, Mr. Speaker, if the list under section 24 of the Workplace Health, Safety and Compensation Regulations is not sufficient, I ask the minister why this government cannot find a regular mechanism to keep the section updated and current. There shouldn’t be a time lapse.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Government Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. O'BRIEN: Mr. Speaker, as I said in the House yesterday and I said on Thursday, the mandate of Occupational Health and Safety is to identify and keep the people of Newfoundland and Labrador, in regards to their workplaces, safe on an ongoing basis. We identify, we evaluate, and then we enforce. We remove the actual issue or we have it controlled within the work site itself.

In regard to section 24, the way it was written forty years ago is very, very broad. It was hard to actually be able to maintain. It was never enacted, it was never used. It is also covered off under S.23 of the Workers Compensation Act which identifies diseases in regard to industrial sites and as well in regard to mining and everything else that is out there.

We don’t see the value in duplicating. We have Codes of Practice within our regulations themselves that identify specific issues in specific workplaces. We identify those –

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister to conclude his answer.

MR. O'BRIEN: - and we follow them thereof.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

My next question relates directly to section 23 of the Workplace Health, Safety and Compensation Regulations under the related act.

I am asking the minister: Does that section cover all the specific cancers that have been proven to be related to fire fighting?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Government Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. O'BRIEN: Mr. Speaker, what I will say to that is, in regard to the safety of workers on the job sites in Newfoundland and Labrador, I, as the minister responsible for Occupational Health and Safety, actually doesn’t need a list. Our officers are very, very – and I mean very – professional. They go in and they identify and they remove or they control the issue. We don’t need a list. If there is an issue in regard to a workplace in this Province at any given time our Occupational Health and Safety officers are in there on an ongoing basis and we will identify and evaluate and then we will enforce.

In regard to the registry itself which you come back to all the time, they are contained within the Codes of Practice, such as the Silica Code of Practice which is hailed worldwide as a template in regard to any issues with regard to the mining industry.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister to conclude his answer.

MR. O'BRIEN: This is the way we do it. We have the opportunity to extract valuable information…

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