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March 19, 2008

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MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, today is the start of the judicial inquiry into what is the biggest tragedy to ever take place in our health care system, the faulty breast cancer testing that has affected so many women and their families in this Province. This inquiry, originally scheduled to start in January, was delayed because of a court application by Eastern Health to prevent the release of peer reviews, a case that they eventually lost in the courts.

I ask the Minister of Health today: Why he did not intervene as the lead government department to ask Eastern Health to withdraw their application to the courts which unnecessarily delayed this inquiry by almost two months?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.


I think what is important here today is that the inquiry has started today with its first witnesses. Justice Dymond made a ruling on an application before the court with respect to the information that has been referenced and some evaluations that were done of a laboratory at Eastern Health. I think today marks the beginning of a very revealing process, I say, Mr. Speaker. Today, as the member opposite has referenced, is a time when the inquiry will start to hear witnesses from individuals who have been impacted by, family members who have been impacted by, individuals who have been involved with ER/PR testing between 1997 and 2005 and the subsequent administration of that file since then. I look forward to Justice Cameron’s report at the end of all of this because I think it will be a very revealing report and I think we will all learn something from that, I say, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, ten months ago in the House of Assembly we asked the Minister of Health why information regarding the number of people impacted by faulty testing was not released publicly and in a timely manner. On the eve of the judicial inquiry the minister finally released a statement acknowledging that 108 women who received inaccurate results are now deceased. This is a shocking and disturbing acknowledgement that should have been disclosed much earlier.

I ask the minister: Why did he wait until the start of this inquiry to make the startling information public?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I, too, would acknowledge, it is startling information. As I said last year, as information became available I would make it available to the public. I had a press conference in November where I announced the early findings of a special unit we had put together. We had brought in the Centre for Health and Information, a unit of individuals to put together, to reconstruct the data basis; to tell us exactly how many people we were dealing with. We realized last year, in May and June, that the information we had was inaccurate. So, in November I provided an update of information at that particular time. In February, I provided another update of the information. The concluding work of that group of people from the Centre for Health and Information, they were wrapping up their analysis and I provided an update at that time. At that time there were a couple of critical questions that we did not have the answers to, and I said then that when it became available I would release it. Last week we found out what that information was, and as true to my word, I released that when we knew it at that time.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Hundreds of women received inaccurate test results, many of whom are now deceased, as we know, and they will not get the answers to what went wrong with their tests. However, their families will be forced to relive memories and sit through testimony that will be very difficult and emotional in order to get the answers that they seek and to find closure in this travesty.

I ask the minister: What is his department or Eastern Health doing to provide support services and counselling to these families and victims as they go through this inquiry?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, the member opposite raised an interesting question and an important one, as she just identified individuals and their families will relive a period of their lives where many of them are trying to forget it and put it behind them. Many of those individuals who are providing evidence today and will be providing evidence in the future and witnessing the evidence being provided by others, will, in fact, be going through a very traumatic time in their lives. I would assume, Mr. Speaker, that those individuals currently being followed by a physician are being provided with the necessary support that they would need through this period. Those individuals who are currently being supported by the Cancer Treatment Centre would have a network of social workers and others available to provide counselling services to them, but I suspect, Mr. Speaker, and I suggest that if any individuals are finding themselves in this very precarious spot that they may find themselves in, a very challenging time, that working through each of their authorities - because many of them live in various parts of the Province, I say, Mr. Speaker, and as they find themselves having some difficulty coping with what they will be witnessing in the coming weeks, I suggest that they would deal directly through their family physician to work with the respective authorities to provide the necessary supports to help them work through this issue.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

A very difficult issue for everyone involved, I say to the minister, and I will try to switch gears now to actually direct some questions to the Premier.

Mr. Speaker, the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Hebron consortium back in August 2007. At the time, the Premier said it would take several months to execute the final agreements. Then the date was pushed to March 2008. Just this past February, the Premier was quoted in the media that the final legal language would be completed by June.

My question, Mr. Speaker, is to the Premier, and that is: What is the status of those negotiations, and will they be completed by June?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am happy to report that the negotiations are going very well, but they are complex negotiations, Mr. Speaker. We are very hopeful that we will have them done in the near future, and hopefully they will be done by June. I can only report that they are going well and we look to a positive announcement in the very near future.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Government’s insistence on a 4.9 per cent equity stake has committed this Province to a payment to the Hebron-Ben Nevis consortium of a minimum of $110 million. Since that time, construction costs have ballooned and oil prices have climbed to record levels.

I ask the minister: Is the $110 million still a firm number, or has that sum changed since the MOU was announced?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Mr. Speaker, the number of $110 million for our 4.9 per cent equity is firm, and a good price by any standard anywhere in the world today.

SOME HON MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, we all realize that $110 million is still a lot of money, good price or not, especially for a Province with many demands being placed on it, both in its health care, education and infrastructure programs.

My question to the minister is: What account will this money be charged against? Will it be coming from the new energy corporation that has been set up? Will it be drawn down from the surplus budget that we know exists in the government today, or will it be borrowed on the capital market?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Mr. Speaker, the money will be drawn down from the new energy corp. that will handle all of the provincial government’s interests in oil and gas here in the Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Well, then, my next question would be: Does the energy corp. have the monies available or will they be borrowing it using their legislative borrowing power that was passed when the corporation was established?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The funds will be transferred from the government to the energy corp. to purchase the equity in Hebron as well as in the White Rose extension.

SOME HON MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As the minister knows, when you are in business you are legally liable when things go wrong. In oil projects, when things go wrong, they go wrong in very expensive ways oftentimes.

For example, if you want to look at the Exxon Valdez accident, it spilled, I think, some 250,000 barrels of oil and it cost Exxon something like $6 billion to clean it up, plus the punitive, compensation and court charges and everything else that went with it.

If the Province had a 4.9 per cent of that particular deal, the people of the Province would have been liable for almost $300 million in expenditure.

My question to the minister is: Who will be ensuring the risk and responsibility associated with our 4.9 per cent equity position in the case of a spill, an accident, or another environmental catastrophe?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We will have all of the rights and responsibilities of other partners in these projects, and we will have all of the protections that are available to us that are provided by services to the industry. This is a very positive move for Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: We, for the first time, will sit at the table and have a voice in decision making with regard to our resources in oil and gas in this Province. The federal government has been there since Hibernia and it has been a very lucrative position for them, of which they have realized a great return to the people of Canada from their investment. We will do the same for Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, there is no need for the minister to get her knickers in a knot. We are not saying that this may not be a good thing.

SOME HON MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS JONES: We are simply -

SOME HON MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We simply asked some questions to seek some answers and so far, Mr. Speaker, we are still looking for some answers.

SOME HON MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS JONES: In a letter received by the Opposition, Mr. Speaker, on September 17, the Premier stated that government estimated that - and this is a direct quote - as much topsides work as fabrication yard facilities and workforce can reasonably accommodate will be completed here in the Province.

Mr. Speaker, we all know that when it comes to deals like this, the devil is always in the details.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. member to pose her question.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am getting to the question, and the question is: Who will be making the assessment, Minister, and what is reasonably accommodated? Will that be done by the oil companies or will it be done by government?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Mr. Speaker, we are on the cusp of such development in this Province that we have never seen before in our history. We have a number of potential projects lined up here. Any one of them, any one of those projects, will fill up just about every bit of capacity we have in this Province.

What a wonderful challenge we have to see how much work we can get in this Province, because it will be more than we ever dreamed of.

SOME HON MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: We have been very careful in our negotiations, Mr. Speaker, and we are going to ensure that every piece of work that can be done here will be done here, and the government, as well as our energy corp., will be monitoring that very carefully.

SOME HON MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

A critical part of the economic benefits related to oil projects is the technology transfers, the minister knows. We want to ensure that the people of the Province not only do some of the detailed engineering work, but we want to ensure that they are the designers and the engineers of these projects, and that has certainly been expressed by local suppliers in the industry and the engineering community. In fact, Mr. Speaker, they took a position that all front-end engineering and design for oil projects should be done right here in this Province.

So, Mr. Speaker, I ask the minister today: Will you provide the details to the House on what front-end engineering work design will be completed in the Province and what will be outsourced to offshore engineering companies?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

All of that information is not available to us at the moment. As it becomes available, I will be happy to make it known.

We absolutely want every piece of work done here. We want technology transfers. As part of our negotiations, where work cannot possibility be done in the Province, we have made available a fund where businesses can travel to where the work is being done and can be mentored and taught in those places, how to do the work and where they can carve off pieces of the work for their own companies here in the Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

Minister, I have obtained a copy of a letter dated February 29, this year, which you sent to the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans federally, the hon. Loyola Hearn, regarding the approval of a transfer of 1,650 ton quota of OB turbot from Seafreeze Foods, which is Bill Barry, to Clearwater Seafoods, which is Mr. Risley.

Mr. Speaker, this quota in question was initially allocated to Mr. Barry with the rationalization that the resource would bring benefits to the people of Burgeo as part of an underutilized species allocation. The commitment was that at least 40 per cent of that allocation had to be landed and processed in Burgeo. That did not happen. Once again, the people of Burgeo were left in the cold, slapped in the face. The town suffers while Mr. Barry makes off with millions from the sale of the quota.

I ask the minister: What did you mean in your letter to Mr. Hearn when you said, and I quote: This transfer was done without adequately consulting the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador or the provincial fishing industry. What do you mean by adequately? Was there any consultation, and, if so, when and with whom?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank my hon. friend for his question. To be to the point, what did we mean by adequately in the letter that I wrote to Minister Hearn expressing our displeasure at this transaction was very simple. There had been none, N O N E; no consultation, none with the Province, with the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, with the industry in Newfoundland and Labrador, as far as I know. We found out about the event and the transaction after the fact, and were made aware of it, I guess, by some due diligence and rumour that goes on in this industry, as everybody in this House is aware of.

So, there was absolutely no consultation, prior to the event happening, with the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador; no discussions with us. Our advice was not sought. There was no transparency whatsoever.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you.

I appreciate the minister’s very clear, unequivocal answer to that question because the letter left some room that there may have been some form of consultation but not proper.

I noticed, minister, that your letter of February 29 was not cc’d to the Town of Burgeo, even though I believe the Town of Burgeo was mentioned about six, seven times in that particular letter. The residents of Burgeo have suffered deeply over the past seventeen years, since 1991, mainly due to this injustice and the transfer of quotas to the benefit of someone else. First, it was the redfish quota, which was part of that deal which was taken by Mr. Barry from Burgeo to Canso, Nova Scotia, and now we have the turbot quota off to Nova Scotia.

I ask the minister: What can be done to reverse this process so that the people of Burgeo, who have been making their case for years for their survival and their historical attachment to the fishery, what can be done to get them their just rewards?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, there was no malice, I suppose - if that is a good word - in not cc’ing the Town of Burgeo or the Mayor of Burgeo. The letter was written in a more general way, objecting and taking offence, really, and displeasure to the fact that the Government of Canada and the minister would transfer quota that had been assigned to a company in this Province for processing in Newfoundland and Labrador, 40 per cent of it happened to be assigned to Burgeo. All of that fish, with the exception of 250 tons - which I believe was sold to the Labrador Union Shrimp Company. All of that fish has now gone from Newfoundland and Labrador, Burgeo included, to no benefit to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador, except to the financial coffers of a company in the Province. There is no benefit to the people of this Province and that is what we took objection to, that happening without our consent - not without our consent but without at least our involvement.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. member to conclude his answer.

MR. RIDEOUT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Without our involvement, at least without having the courtesy of making us aware of it, and having us find out about it through the back door rather than the front door.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Mr. Speaker, as we all know, the relationship between the federal government and the provincial government has reached an all-time low.

I ask the minister: Is Burgeo, a hard-working, rural Newfoundland and Labrador town, suffering due to the consequences of this intergovernmental feud? Can other communities in rural Newfoundland and Labrador also expect to be causalities in this dispute between your government and the feds?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker, it is difficult to answer that question, but let me attempt an answer by saying this. The people who were adjacent to that resource - we had historic presence and usage in it then there had been an assignment to Newfoundland and Labrador. The people who were adjacent to that resource, the inhabitants of Nunavut, were not consulted. They had no knowledge that this was happening.

They, Mr. Speaker, the people of Nunavut - I do not know if the Government of Nunavut has the same battles with the Government of Canada that the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador has, but you would think they do, the way they were dealt with in this particular instance.

I would have to say, Mr. Speaker, no, I do not think that is the case, but the Government of Canada that we have today makes no privilege of anybody in Canada. They do not care where you are, what you do, whether you fight with them, whether you do not fight with them, they are going to deal with you in the way that they want to deal with you anyway.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, in May of last year the government received a client services officer’s report in relation to the Workplace Health, Safety and Compensation Commission.

I ask the minister: In light of this government’s commitment on the timely release of reports and transparency in government, can he tell the House when this report will be released to the public?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Government Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. O'BRIEN: Yes, Mr. Speaker, as a matter of fact, I did a media interview on Friday. I made a commitment to release such reports as expeditiously as we possibly can, taking into account that we have to treat each request separately. It depends on the scope of the actual request. It depends on the number of requests that is made to our department.

We are in the process of having a look at enhancing our data system, but right now we are dealing with paper and that takes time and resources. So, yes, we will certainly release them in an expeditious manner.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I say so much for the thirty day turnaround. This is going on close to a year now since this report was released and the public has yet to know what is in it.

Mr. Speaker, another issue being raised by injured workers is the need for a client fairness officer. Such a position already exists in other provinces, and while in Opposition, the current Premier called for the appointment of a public defender for injured workers.

I ask the minister: What is government’s view on the need for such a position, and will government be moving forward with anything like this to protect injured workers in this Province?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SKINNER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as this House is aware there are a number of recommendations before the government through the Statutory Review process which is the formal process we have in place to look at issues regarding injured workers and the Workplace Health, Safety and Compensation Commission. That report will be spoken on in the near future by this government, and at that time members opposite will see the recommendations that come forward.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, it has come to our attention that injured workers are experiencing delays in the review process at Workers Health, Safety and Compensation Commission because there has only been one of the three review commissioners in place recently.

I ask the minister: Can he tell us how many cases have been delayed and when are you going to address this problem by putting more commissioners in place?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister Responsible for Persons with Disabilities.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SKINNER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we have a number of commissioners who sit on the review commission, we have a number who have recently expired and we have a number of recommendations that we will be making, bringing forward, to put people on this. In some cases we have to make sure that we contact the individuals for some information that we need from them, but in the very near future the number of positions that have expired will be filled and we will have a full complement of review commissioners.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, my question relates to the hormone receptor testing. On Tuesday, the Minister of Health and Community Services released the information that 108 of the 322 deceased announced on February 22 had changed ER/PR test results. That is 33 per cent of patients with changed results.

In the minister’s release on Tuesday past he was downplaying the fact that these patients may have died of cancer. He also said that some of the patients may actually have received the correct treatment in spite of having false negative test results. He has not presented proof to backup either of these statements. Surely there are records indicating why people died and what treatment the patients received.

I ask the minister why he didn’t dig further and investigate this issue fully instead of giving us half answers.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I have never, in this House or outside this House, downplayed the significance of the issues in and around ER/PR, nor would I ever dismiss the significance of having to report that 322 people are dead.

What I did this week was I provided an update on those individuals who had their tests changed. Now, to take from that - and this is the point I was making: we cannot conclude that because 108 people had their test changed, or because 275 people had their test changed, that caused their death.

The issue that I reported on was a statistic. I didn’t deal with the cause of death of 108 people, nor the cause of death of 320. Nor did I say the 275 who had their tests changed, that their course of treatment would have changed had something else happened.

I was providing an update on a set of statistics, I say, Mr. Speaker. The cause of death - and if the member opposite wants to jump to a conclusion, that is somewhat irresponsible. What I was trying to do -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister to conclude his answer.

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

What I was trying to do, Mr. Speaker, in my commentary, was to be responsible, to responsibly report the information that we had available to us; not to jump to conclusions, not to make assumptions.

SOME HON MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The minister is getting at the heart of what it is I am looking for. It is not sufficient for databases to only have pure statistics. They also can include the reasons and causes for, and this is what I am asking: why the database is not including it.

So, I am asking the minister: If such information - because this information is important to the families in the present and in future - if such information is not yet part of the database, will steps be taken to ensure that such important information is included?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

What I have said before, and I will repeat it again in this House today, the individual families of those 322 people should make contact with Eastern Health to find out exactly what happened with their respective family member. That information would be available to the individuals and their family – the family members of those individuals - if they make contact with Eastern Health. Officials of Eastern Health will be available to have that kind of conversation on an individual basis, I say, Mr. Speaker. So, the individual family members of those deceased individuals need to make contact with Eastern Health, through their family physicians or through the contact number provided by Eastern Health, to discuss what happened with their family member, I say, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: A quick supplementary, Mr. Speaker.

The public deserves to know how many people died, may have died, because of cancer, and how many did or did not get tamoxifin. We are not asking for the personal information, but the public deserves to know those numbers.

Is the minister willing to give those numbers to the public?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I think the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi needs to take a lesson from the page of the Leader of the Opposition when she acknowledged that this is an extremely sensitive issue. Trying to play politics with it in the House of Assembly or in any other forum is totally inappropriate.

We have a commission of inquiry that started hearings today. That commission of inquiry has a mandate to look at what happened with ER-PR testing between the period of 1997 and 2005. They have a mandate to look at what went wrong, what happened. They have a mandate to consider what took place with respect to how people got advised of what happened, the communication process between patients, their families and the health authorities, who knew what when, and what should have happened, so that we will learn some things from this, Mr. Speaker, so that in the future what we witnessed between 1997 and 2005 should never, ever happen again in this Province.

The 1,013 women who were impacted by this particular event should never, ever - the lesson we should learn: we should never, ever have any other women who have to go through what they went through, as a result of the recent work that we are now doing. This commission should lead us to some conclusions. This commission should give us some sound advice.

MR. SPEAKER: Order please!

I ask the minister to conclude his answer.

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

This commission, we are looking to it to provide us with some sound advice and some direction for the future so we do not have to have this discussion ever again in this House.

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