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Oral Questions
April 1, 2009

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MS JONES:

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

AbitibiBowater announced this morning that their latest plan to swap old debt for new debt has failed. They have also indicated, Mr. Speaker, as I understand now, that they are unable to file their annual financial statements.

I ask the minister: What does this mean for the company? Are they headed into bankruptcy? If so, what will be the impact for the people in this Province?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yes, I saw on the news today that Abitibi-Price had indicated that their attempts to restructure their debt had been unsuccessful, but there is no indication of what the company’s next steps are, so at the moment the status quo is in effect.

There are a number of options that are available to Abitibi. There are options under the proposal section of the Bankruptcy and Solvency Act where they can seek protection. They can seek protection under the Company’s Creditors’ Arrangement Act. They can also seek protection under chapter 11, or section 7 of the Bankruptcy Code in the U.S. Until such time as they make that decision, government will wait and then respond accordingly.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Maybe the minister can tell me, then: Under any of those acts is there security there for the workers who have been laid off at AbitibiBowater, in terms of ensuring that they receive their severance and pension benefits?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: I cannot speak to the U.S. legislation but there are provisions in the Canadian Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act where there is some protection for severance under the WEPA, the federal government WEPA program, which can provide protection up to $3,000, but apart from that severance is not a secured debt under the legislation. It would be an unsecured debt and there would be no protection except for what is available under what is referred to as WEPA.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Are there any actions that the provincial government can take at this time to try and ensure that there is security for those severance benefits to be paid out to the workers who have been displaced in the Grand Falls-Windsor area?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, if we get into a situation that involves protection under the Bankruptcy Act, or stays of proceedings under the Companies’ Creditors Arrangement Act, these are federal legislation beyond the legislative competence of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

On June 12 of last year, the Public Utilities Board approved an increase to electricity rates across the Province due to adjustments in the Rate Stabilization Plan. At that time, oil prices were peaking at about $150 a barrel and that was the rationalization that they used.

Today, we know that these oil prices are one-third of that cost. Even groups like Marine Atlantic has eliminated their fuel surcharge that was being charged to its customers, but the people in the Province are still paying high electricity rates based on $150 oil.

I ask the minister: When can we see those rates decrease to consumers in the Province?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as most people in the Province may know, the Rate Stabilization Plan is a plan that is put in place to protect ratepayers in the Province from high rises in the cost of electricity. It accounts for the price of oil. It keeps prices stable. Any deficit that has occurred goes into the Rate Stabilization Plan and is adjusted after a certain period of time. So, when the increase came, Mr. Speaker, it was to pay off monies owed to the Rate Stabilization Plan.

Mr. Speaker, as everyone knows, electricity is regulated through the PUB, the rate of return for Hydro is regulated by the PUB, so all of these things are monitored very carefully and people pay no more than the PUB allows to be earned by Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

What the minister is saying is that when they need money, the companies go and they apply for increases. What happens in the case of a surplus, when consumers are still paying high electricity prices in this Province? Is it up to the Consumer Advocate to file that application on behalf of the people of the Province, or is it up to the government to do so?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources and Deputy Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Rate Stabilization Plan is reviewed on a regular basis. As I said, Mr. Speaker, the production of electricity in this Province is regulated by the PUB. Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro has a regulated rate of return, so there is no question of that utility gouging ratepayers in the Province because there is a decrease in the price of oil.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

At a time when we see people in this Province being laid off from their jobs, when we are seeing the cost of living increasing – as per the consumer price indexing study that is out – why is it that government is not prepared to look at some kind of an interruption formula to give consumers in the Province a break on their electricity at a time when they need it the most?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, this government looks at ways that we can help people reduce their energy costs on a regular basis. We have done that in Labrador, in terms of under the Northern Strategic Plan where we continue to add money into that plan to relieve the burden of the price of electricity on ratepayers there. We have our Energy Rebate Program, where we rebate energy users in this Province every year because of the high cost of electricity. It is something we are always mindful of, Mr. Speaker, and that we pay a lot of attention to and we make significant investments in.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, I do not see what the issue is. Consumers out there today in the Province are paying for electricity based on a rate calculation of $150 a barrel for oil. Other entities - like I said, Marine Atlantic - are reducing their prices based on the fact that the price of oil went down.

I ask the minister: Why is it that your government, why is it that the Consumer Advocate, why is no one intervening with the Public Utilities Board to ensure that these consumers get a break now? You put Andy Wells over there. Are you afraid to talk to him now that he is over there?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources and Deputy Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am not afraid to talk to anyone, Mr. Speaker, including the Leader of the Opposition. We can stay at this all day if she wants to.

Mr. Speaker, the production of electricity and the provision of electricity in this Province is a regulated activity - I am surprised the Leader of the Opposition does not know this - and the rate of return to Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro is regulated by the PUB, so there is no question in this Province, Mr. Speaker, of any ratepayer being gouged or Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro having windfall profits because the price of oil has gone down. It is ridiculous, Mr. Speaker, to suggest it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, I know all about how electricity is regulated. So are petroleum products regulated in the Province, too. Under petroleum products there is an interruption formula, I say to the minister, so why aren’t you prepared to look at the same for electricity?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I can only continue to answer in the same way I have to the previous questions. The amount of return that is allowed to Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro is regulated by the PUB, one of the smallest rates of return, I might say, of any utility in the country. This is a lean and efficient operation we have in Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro. I can promise you, and it is quite obvious from any review of the documents, that there is no gouging going on of ratepayers in this Province because of a reduction in the price of oil.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In 2007, as a prelude to the election campaign and after about two years of consultation and studies and so on, government announced its infamous Energy Plan for the Province. Mr. Speaker, the plan indicated that there would be a number of components to the Lower Churchill Project, the first being the damn and powerhouse to Gull Island, which would generate around 2,000 megawatts of power.

I ask the minister: Has this component now been costed, and roughly how much will it cost?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we have talked a number of times publicly, in this House and through various news conferences and so on, about the planning process that is going into the development of the Lower Churchill River.

Mr. Speaker, we are using a five-gate process. We are in the process of moving from Gate 2 into Gate 3. There is considerable financial information, pre-engineering information and so on, being accumulated. That will be developed further in the third phase of this project; and, of course, all of these numbers are being calculated and released at the appropriate time.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, is the minister telling me at this time that her government has not costed what it is going to be to construct - the capital cost of construction - the powerhouse at Gull Island and the powerhouse at Muskrat Falls, the transmission line that is going to run from Gull Island back to Churchill Falls, if they are still going to do that? These are the components that we are looking for. There are several components, and I ask the minister if she can table what the capital cost is on each component of this project.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we have stated quite clearly, publicly, that this project is going to cost anywhere from $6 billion to $9 billion, depending on what configuration we use, what commercial arrangements we have with the sale of power and so on. That work is being done in Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro and at the moment, no, we are not going to release it.

All I can say is we should all give thanks that the Leader of the Opposition is not a general in some war, because she would be posting regularly when her next surprise attack is coming.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, there is no trouble to get the dander up of that minister. All you have to do is ask her a few questions that she does not know the answer to.

Well, Minister, tell me this: How much is it going to cost to run a high voltage transmission line, running from Muskrat Falls to the Coast of Labrador, across the Strait of Bell Isle, down through a national park on the Northern Peninsula and into Holyrood?

Surely, Minister, you know how much it is going to cost for that transmission line. You have already tabled the EIS on it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Indeed we do know, Mr. Speaker, but contracts are going to have to be called; and, like everything else we do, we are going to try to get the best value for our money. So, no, we are not going to post estimates around costs and so on.

Mr. Speaker, there is no trouble to know that Roger has been around for the last couple of weeks. The only problem is, Mr. Speaker, it is great when they ask questions but it is just too bad that they waited seven years to do so.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The minister is going to find out who is going to ask all the questions before this is over. She is not out of the tangled web she is weaving for herself yet, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask hon. members to respect and to listen to the questions being asked. While we all like for Question Period to be enthusiastic, I ask members to listen to the questions and listen to the answers, please.

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, the Energy Plan also stated that government would investigate options to address the Holyrood emissions. In fact, Mr. Speaker, they said by 2009 they would make a decision as to whether they would run the transmission line from the Lower Churchill or if they would install the scrubbers and the precipitators that were required to reduce pollutants. We know now, in 2009, that the EIS portion of the Lower Churchill line coming to Holyrood will not be completed, so I ask the minister: Will they now move to another plan to look at reducing the pollutants there, or will they amend their Energy Plan to reflect a new date for decisions?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Mr. Speaker, I know the Leader of the Opposition spends an awful lot of time listening to the radio - that is where they get most of their questions for Question Period - but she missed an exciting announcement again from Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro yesterday when they reduced again the sulphur content of the fuel that is being used at Hydro.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Three significant reductions have been undertaken since we have taken power, and it has done much to clean up the environment in that area.

Mr. Speaker, we announced also last year that as we were doing our work and progressing the development of the Lower Churchill we would also progress work on precipitators to clean up and scrubbers to clean up Holyrood if the Lower Churchill did not take place, and we are continuing to do that. We are not leaving anything to chance. One way or the other, Holyrood is going to be cleaned up, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The minister’s Energy Plan also stated that the transmission of power from Labrador across to the Island to Holyrood would provide an excellent opportunity to partner with the federal government to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

I ask the minister today: What discussions are ongoing with the federal government on this matter, and has any progress been made?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we have discussions with a wide array of people in this country and in the United States who are extremely interested in the development of the Lower Churchill and what it will mean in the provision of clean, renewable energy not only to our own country but there is an opportunity for the Americans as well.

Mr. Speaker, I am happy to say that the federal government - the Minister of Environment, the Minister of Natural Resources - have expressed significant interest in this project and we continue to have discussions around that issue with them.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is obvious that there is no imminent partnership with the federal government, according to the minister. We have not heard any announcements around it.

What I would ask is: In the absence of the federal government investing, how does the Province plan to finance this project?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Mr. Speaker, this is one of the best, if not the best, undeveloped hydro project in North America. The level of interest in this project is significant, Mr. Speaker. Everybody wants to talk to Newfoundland and Labrador. We have a list of people who are anxious for the development of the project and who want to talk to us about commercial arrangements.

One thing that you can count on, on this side of the House, Mr. Speaker, it will be done properly, and it will be done in such a way to benefit the people of Newfoundland and Labrador, and they will get a rate of return that they will be proud of, and will be proud of, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

They have no idea how they are going to pay for this project. No idea in the world, Mr. Speaker. It is all smoke and mirrors.

Mr. Speaker, on January 14, 2008, the Nova Scotia Power Company, Emera, and Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro signed an MOU to explore the possibility of bringing energy from Lower Churchill to the Maritimes and into the New England states.

Last week we were aware of Irving Oil making an announcement, Mr. Speaker, that they are going to access a power corridor into Maine and into the rest of New England, including the construction of a 1,200-1,500 megawatt transmission line.

So, Mr. Speaker, I ask the minister today: Will these latest plans for energy generation in the Maritimes and into the New England states, and that power corridor, have any effect on the proposal by Newfoundland and Labrador to take the Maritime route?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

No, they will not have any negative impact, in terms of our plans for development of the Lower Churchill, and beyond that, for wind development later on in this Province.

We have an energy starved world out there; a world that is dependant on fossil fuels. They have huge demands, and they forecast even larger demands that they do not know how they are going to meet. If we generate every hydro project, every wind project in Eastern Canada, we still would not be able to meet the demand that is out there.

Now, Mr. Speaker, this energy plan has been lauded right throughout this country and through the world as a visionary statement, and lays down very clearly a plan for energy development for the next forty, fifty years, Mr. Speaker.

I would suggest that the Leader of the Opposition spend a little bit more time with it and get some feedback from people outside of the Province, and outside of her own office.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We got lots of feedback in the paper this morning, I say, from the Premier of New Brunswick, minister.

Mr. Speaker, to construct a Maritime route line from Labrador onto the Island and across to the nearest point of Nova, which would be Cape Breton at about 104 kilometres, we are talking a huge voltage transmission line. The people of the Province are already aware that government intends to build this transmission line through Gros Morne Park in Newfoundland and Labrador.

I ask the minister today: The proposal for the Maritime route, will that include a transmission line going through Cape Breton Highlands National Park as well?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we –

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order please!

I ask members for their co-operation.

The Chair recognized the hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we will be responsible for the generation and transmission of power through Newfoundland and Labrador, and we are fully engaged with Nova Scotia, with New Brunswick, with New England, with Quebec. We will choose which route we will go. All of these issues are being discussed and will be dealt with in terms of the commercial arrangements that are arrived at and whatever regulatory changes that are required to facilitate the transmission of power.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, I ask the minister: Was there any agreement, consent, or any agreement in principle in any way given by the Province of New Brunswick for the transmission of Lower Churchill Project power lines, because your government has been spending a lot of money on this route, promoting it, looking at different options?

I am just asking a question: Did you get any consent, any agreement from the Province of New Brunswick that you could run power lines through their Province before you started to spend taxpayers’ money?

MR. SPEAKER: Order please!

The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, there is a process in this country where you apply for access. We have talked about that here in the House before. It is called Open Access Transmission Tariff. We have applications through Quebec looking for permission to wheel power through Quebec, and we have applications in Atlantic Canada, New Brunswick specifically, to wheel power through New Brunswick.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Based on the comments from the Premier in New Brunswick today, he is already putting the marker in the ground, minister, that there is going to be no transmission lines or development of power through his Province without adequate compensation for the people in New Brunswick.

I ask you today: How is that any different from what was being asked for by the Province of Quebec? You tell me if there is any difference because I do not see any.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we do not mind any commercial arrangement that allows our partners to get a fair return on their investment. We have, because of commercial arrangements that, for example, Quebec has in the United States of America, the right to apply to wheel power through that province. If we can get the best deal in Quebec we will be more than happy to deal with Quebec, but if we get the best deal somewhere else, than that somewhere else is where we are going, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, I would say that the Maritime route is on life support with that government over there right about now. Mr. Speaker, it is the closest thing I have seen to life support in a project in my entire life.

Anyway, I ask the minister today if she will commit to table what the government and Nalcor have spent on studies, environmental preparation and promotion of the Maritime route to bring power through Newfoundland and Labrador and across the Gulf and through the Maritime provinces?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We share this information on a regular basis. It is important to us that the people of Newfoundland and Labrador know what we are doing. Not like the last deal, Mr. Speaker, not like the last deal that these people tried to negotiate back in 2002. We have developed the expertise within Nalcor and within Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro to be able to facilitate this kind of planning and to make these kinds of commercial arrangements.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS DUNDERDALE: This is not all being done from the Premier’s Office like it was done under Premier Grimes Administration, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Province’s agriculture industry brings in some $500 million of revenue to our government and employs approximately 5,000 people, yet has been hit hard by this year’s Budget. We saw $6.6 million cut from the Agrifoods division of this Budget.

Given the repeated recommendations to diversify the Newfoundland economy away from dependence on non-renewable resources and global concerns about food security, how does this department justify these large cuts?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister Responsible for the Agrifoods Agency.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It runs right across the full membership of the Opposition. They never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

There has been no money cut from the Agrifoods budget, Mr. Speaker, but we didn’t move forward with a number of carryovers this year, and that was around $6 million.

The reason for that, Mr. Speaker: we introduced a number of new programs, and because the programs were new there wasn’t a great take-up at the front end of the year because people were learning about the program and so on.

You know, even though we are weathering the storm really well, this is a year when we are running a deficit. We have good money in the program. Even the President of the Federation of Agriculture said in August: We have all the money we need in this program. So, I don’t know what has changed in four months. Well, I do know but I am not going to talk about it here.

Mr. Speaker, we have a very good agriculture program here and one we are very proud of.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, last year the department allocated $8 million in Grants and Subsidies, in Production and Market Administration fund, to provide support for direction and administration of farmers, of production and marketing activities. Only $800,000 went into the hands of the farmers, and this year’s Budget cut the program by over $2 million.

I ask the minister: Why was it so difficult for farmers to access this fund, and how does your department justify rolling this revenue into other areas of government?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister Responsible for the Agrifoods Agency.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Mr. Speaker, there is nearly $30 million a year that goes into agriculture in this Province, and I am happy to point out – well I am not sure if I am happy to point out. I am proud that this government puts more money into agriculture than the federal government does in this Province. We are the only province in this country that can say that. We bring more money to the table for our farmers than any other province in the country.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: The federal government brings more money to the rest of them than they do to us.

We recognize the value of agriculture and we continue to put money into programs.

There was no program cut this year, Mr. Speaker. The only difference is, we thought the carryover money could be better utilized than dragging it forward. There is lots of money in the program, we are excited about our new programs, and we look forward to continued success of the industry here in the Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The time allotted for questions and answers has expired.

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