MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, according to
government’s briefing notes obtained by our office, it
says that the air ambulance program is overseen by the
department and operated by Eastern Health. The same
briefing note reveals that a meeting was held in
Labrador City on August 21, 2009 between the head of the
Medical Transportation Program and Labrador-Grenfell
officials.
I ask the
minister today to confirm that, on that day, the
decision was made to move the air ambulance from St.
Anthony to Goose Bay seven months before Wes Drodge’s
report was ever received by your government.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Health and
Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. KENNEDY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I actually was not aware of that
briefing note until recently when I saw it myself. I
knew that there had been discussions after the incident
of July 15 in Lab West and again after the incident in
Happy Valley -Goose Bay around September 18. Those
incidents, Mr. Speaker, along with my meetings in Lab
West and the petition presented by the Leader of the
Opposition led to us having the review conducted.
I was not aware of that briefing
note and did not know, Mr. Speaker, until the last
couple of weeks that that briefing note had actually
suggested, at that point, that Happy Valley-Goose Bay
was actually the better place to have the air ambulance
situated. So, there was certainly no decision made. All
it amounts to is independent confirmation of Mr.
Drodge’s report and the confirmation that this
government has made the right decision.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
According to the Access to
Information that we squeezed out yesterday, Minister, it
shows that critical decisions were being made by health
officials and people on government’s payroll. It also
shows that the decision to move the air ambulance from
St. Anthony to Goose Bay was made back in August. It was
written by Corey Banks, a government payroll employee,
and it was disclosed to Labrador-Grenfell at that time.
I ask the minister:
Will you now confirm that the
decision to move the air ambulance out of St. Anthony
was made months in advance in the backrooms of
government?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Health and
Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. KENNEDY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I became the Minister of Health
and Community Services on October 9. Up until that
point, I was only aware that we were purchasing a new
air ambulance. I became aware, very quickly, of the
incidents that had occurred in Lab West on July 15 and
then the incident involving the Best family in September
of this year.
Mr. Speaker, Corey Banks, he is
the individual who oversees the provincial ambulance
system. Mr. Banks, I think, indicated – my recollection
of that briefing note - that he thought, in his opinion,
that the better place for the placement of the air
ambulance would be Happy Valley-Goose Bay as a result of
the population base and the risk factors in Labrador. I
know that subsequently – again, I am going by memory,
Mr. Speaker – I think it was on September 15 that
another meeting took place. I think at that meeting
there was a discussion of a medical flight services
team.
So there was no decision made, Mr.
Speaker, on moving the air ambulance that I am aware of.
That decision was made after the receipt of the Drodge
report (Inaudible).
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The information that we obtained
in this note certainly says differently. The information
obtained also confirms that the decision was made one
month before the previous MHA, Trevor Taylor, resigned
his position. It is one thing for a Cabinet minister to
be a casualty in all of this because he did not have the
guts to stand up and take what government’s agenda was
going to be, I say to the minister, but it is a
different story when you force that upon the people of
the Northern Peninsula under the guise of a false
report.
I ask the minister today:
How can you use the Drodge report,
which is just a cheap rewrite of the Banks report, to
try and verify the decision on air ambulance that
government had already made months earlier?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Health and
Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. KENNEDY:
Yes, Mr. Speaker, as I indicated
there was no decision made.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR. KENNEDY:
When I became minister, I quickly
became aware of these incidents. On November 27, I
travelled to Lab West where I met with the mayors of the
communities there and the Mitchell family. I travelled
then to Happy Valley-Goose Bay where I met with the
mayor and council and also met with the Best family.
Then, Mr. Speaker, on December 14 I indicated to CBC
that we would be conducting a review. On December 15 the
Leader of the Opposition presented a petition in this
hon. House of 3,000 people in Labrador asking to have
the air ambulance moved to Labrador.
So, Mr. Speaker, the Leader of the
Opposition has gotten what she wanted. She should be
thankful to government that we have listened to her and
I do not know what her complaint is.
In terms of the Drodge report, Mr.
Speaker, the report compiled by the Lab. Grenfell
employees essentially corroborates everything that Mr.
Drodge had to say and the only thing they disagree with
is the placement of the ambulance.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, my issue with this is
that the government paid $10,000 to Wes Drodge to put
his name on a report of recommendations that were
already written by someone within the government system,
Mr. Speaker. This report by Drodge only rubber-stamped
those recommendations and the minister knows that.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS JONES:
Mr. Speaker, the government would
have known about the banks report back in August because
it was indicated, minister, in your own briefing notes
on September 4.
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
If the hon. member has a question
I ask that she pose it now.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I ask the minister:
How could you be on the ground
in the middle of a by-election in St. Anthony shaking
the hands of these employees telling them that your
government was supporting them when all along two
incidents in your own department indicates that you were
ready to cut the service?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Health and
Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. KENNEDY:
Mr. Speaker, I do not know what is in
the –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR. KENNEDY:
I do not know what is in the package
of materials that was provided to the Opposition, but if
I remember correctly there was another briefing note
around September 15 that the Member for The Straits &
White Bay North referred to earlier, that in fact talks
about a second medical flight services team for St.
Anthony. Now, I do not know if she has that and if her
selective memory or her inability to state the facts has
interfered with that. Secondly, Mr. Speaker, there was a
September 15 briefing note that talked about that.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I ask the hon. members on both
sides of the House to kindly listen to the questions
that are asked and the answers that are given. I ask the
hon. members when they ask questions to allow for the
answers to be provided back.
The hon. the Minister of Health
and Community Services to complete his answer.
MR. KENNEDY:
Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
So, the issue was being examined
by that department under a previous minister. What we
did, Mr. Speaker, and I indicated publicly, that we
would commission a report; we would accept the
recommendations of that report whatever those
recommendations would be. It still does not take away,
Mr. Speaker, from the basic decision, that this is the
right decision; that we have twice as many people living
in Labrador and this is the proper decision for the best
interest of the people…
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I do not buy into the
argument. The minister was in the department. There were
briefing notes circulating. There were decisions being
made. There were things written and forwarded to health
boards in this Province back in August saying these air
ambulances were going to be moved from St. Anthony to
Goose Bay.
I ask the minister again, Mr.
Speaker: Why would you go out
and hire Wes Drodge to be the forward guy with these
recommendations knowing that they were already written
in your department, knowing they were already being
circulated, and knowing that this was the plan that
government had in place all along?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Minister of Health
and Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. KENNEDY:
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
One of the reasons that we asked
for the report is because the Leader of the Opposition
asked for it. Mr. Speaker, what we have, if she again
looks at the briefing notes she will see that there are
discussions ongoing. Mr. Banks expressed an opinion. Mr.
Drodge, to the best of my knowledge, Mr. Speaker, did
not consult with Mr. Banks in writing his report, nor am
I aware. At least I did not provide him with any
materials of Mr. Banks.
Mr. Speaker, there were also - I
think in mid-September there was correspondence going
between departments asking for a second medical flight
services team for St. Anthony. So, there are various
issues being looked at here, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
For the final time, I will ask
members on both sides of the House to refrain from
shouting back and forth. The next time the Speaker
stands I will identify the people that are causing the
disruptions, and the next time the Speaker will take
further action.
The hon. the Minister of Health
and Community Services.
MR. KENNEDY:
In fact, Mr. Speaker, there is, at
least in mid-December there is a letter from the
previous minister, prior to me, asking for a second
medical flight services team to be stationed in St.
Anthony. So, I do not know how, Mr. Speaker, she can say
a decision has been made, when in August an employee of
Eastern Health says that the air ambulance should be
situated in Happy Valley-Goose Bay, and the previous
minister, by mid-September, is asking for a second
medical flight services team for…
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for the
District of The Straits & White Bay North.
MR. DEAN:
Mr. Speaker, there are eight
recommendations in the Drodge report. Seven of those
recommendations are the same as those that are in the
Banks report that was presented in Labrador City in
August of 2009, several months before Drodge was
engaged. It is obvious Drodge did nothing more than copy
or paste government’s own information.
So I ask the minister:
Why are you using Drodge to
justify your own political decision to punish the people
of my district?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Health and
Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. KENNEDY:
Mr. Speaker, perhaps the Member for
The Straits & White Bay North should ask his leader over
there why she did what she did in asking to have the air
ambulance moved to Labrador. She asked to have the air
ambulance moved to Labrador. Mr. Speaker, we moved it to
Labrador based on the Drodge report. The
recommendations, Mr. Speaker, are outlined in his
report. He also looks at the numbers; there are twice as
many flights out of Labrador as there are out of St.
Anthony, Mr. Speaker. The population is more than twice
as much in Labrador as there is in St. Anthony –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR. KENNEDY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Essentially, I would say to the
Member for The Straits & White Bay North, he should
perhaps talk to his leader and they should get their act
together because sometimes you have to be careful what
you ask for in life, you get it.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of The Straits & White Bay North.
MR. DEAN:
Mr. Speaker, for the record, we never
ever asked for the air ambulance to be moved from St.
Anthony to Goose Bay. That was never on the books,
obviously. It was asked to enhance the service of the
air ambulance program in the Province.
Again, I make the point that eight
recommendations - that Drodge has seven of them - were
recommended back in August of 2009 by Mr. Banks. The
Banks report shows that two medical flight specialist
teams were required with twenty-four seven availability,
that they would be placed in St. John’s as well as Goose
Bay. It recommends one centralized dispatch for the
Province. It recommends single comprehensive programming
and other recommendations that are identical to what is
in the Drodge report.
I ask the minister:
If he was going to accept every
other recommendation from the Banks report, why did he
not accept the very last recommendation, which was a
three-year phase in as opposed to the rush job that he
is making out of moving it into Labrador?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Health and
Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. KENNEDY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
In fact, Mr. Speaker, the heading
of the petition was: that we the residents of Labrador
ask to have the air ambulance stationed in Labrador;
3,000 people signed that. In fact, the Minister of
Labrador Affairs had to affect - the misleading effect,
Mr. Speaker, put forward by the Leader of the
Opposition, where she had –
MS JONES:
(Inaudible).
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
For the final time, I ask the hon.
the Leader of the Opposition to refrain from shouting
back and forth across the House.
The hon. the Minister of Health
and Community Services to complete his answer.
MR. KENNEDY:
Mr. Speaker, we had looked at the
Drodge report. It was a pretty easy decision to make,
Mr. Speaker. That is why we have not had to go and
extensively examine other reports. The Lab Grenfell
employees – this magic report that was going to be
prepared simply confirmed that which Mr. Drodge had to
say.
So, essentially, Mr. Speaker, the
one point that takes away totally from their theory that
there had been an earlier decision was that the Minister
of Health, the previous –
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
If there is another question from
the Opposition.
The hon. the Member for the
District of The Straits & White Bay North.
MR. DEAN:
Mr. Speaker, my conclusion is that
the Drodge report is a farce. Drodge was not independent
but he was told exactly what to write, he was told how
to write it, and he was told when to write it.
Yet, the Premier stated on two
separate occasions in this House of Assembly that the
decision was made around his Cabinet table and that he
was satisfied that it was the right decision.
So I ask the Premier or his
representative today: Why would
you support a decision that allowed this to happen in a
backroom and hire a front guy in order to justify this
flawed and contrived process?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Health and
Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. KENNEDY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Again, Mr. Speaker, I come back to
the petition that was presented by the Leader of the
Opposition. She presented a petition which asked to have
the air ambulance moved to Labrador. On a number of
occasions, Mr. Speaker, I said to the Leader of the
Opposition: What is it you want us to do? Do you want an
air ambulance in St. Anthony or do you want an air
ambulance in Labrador? She presented a petition. She got
what she asked for. I do not know what the problem is.
Mr. Speaker, again, I come back to
the fact that the previous minister, around
mid-September, had written a letter asking for a second
medical flight services team for St. Anthony. So,
whatever Mr. Banks - when he had met with these
individuals, he had outlined what he thought should
happen. Well, it appears that, independently of Mr.
Drodge, they all reached the same conclusions.
There was no decision made in
backrooms. I stated publicly that whatever the decision
of the Drodge report, we would agree to that. Mr.
Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition when she presented
her petition she knew what she was asking for and now
she is trying to wiggle her way out of it (inaudible).
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of The Straits & White Bay North.
MR. DEAN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, we are getting spin
and cover up here again this afternoon in the House of
Assembly. The air ambulance program provides an
invaluable service to the people of this Province.
Hundreds of people are helped every year. Clearly,
Labrador did, and still needs an air ambulance of its
own to address its needs. We have never argued against
that; however, not at the expense of other people’s
lives in this Province.
So again, I ask the Premier:
In light of your flawed decision making and the
inappropriate political (inaudible) as an extent to how
they are covered up, based on the information that we
have received, I would ask would you reverse the
decision immediately to leave the air ambulance where it
belongs in St. Anthony.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Health and
Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. KENNEDY:
Mr. Speaker, this is an example of a
government listening to the Leader of the Opposition
when she brings forward that petition with the 3,000
names asking to have it moved to Labrador. She does not
think it through. The Member for The Straits &White Bay
North does not think it through. They realize the
trouble they have caused and now they are coming back
trying to put it on us.
What we have done, Mr. Speaker, we
have made a decision that is in the best interests of
the people of this Province. I keep repeating, and the
Member for The Straits & White Bay North has stated in
this House that they have a full service hospital there.
Well that is quite correct. They have four anaesthetists.
They have four general surgeons in the hospital serving
13,000 people.
Mr. Speaker, the purpose of a
medevac system is to deal with emergency situations. Are
they saying that the lives of the people in Labrador are
not as valuable as the lives of the people in St.
Anthony? Is that what I am hearing?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for the
District of The Straits & White Bay North.
MR. DEAN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
There goes the spin again. Just
spin around and spin around trying to point it on us and
say that we believe the lives of people in Labrador are
less valuable. By no means are we saying that, Mr.
Speaker.
The minister stated yesterday that
the decision was made, the air ambulance will be moving
to Goose Bay within days. The applicants have now
appealed this case.
I ask the minister:
Will he let due process take its
course and let the plane remain where it is until a
decision has been rendered?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Health and
Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. KENNEDY:
Yes, Mr. Speaker, in order for an
injunction to be granted there are three factors that
have to be considered by a judge. One, is there a
serious issue to be tried; the second, whether or not
there will irreparable harm; and third, where is the
balance of convenience.
The judge said yesterday, Mr.
Speaker, or two days ago, there was no serious issue. In
other words, the case is without merit. We will be
moving this plane. The plane will be moved.
What I can say to the Member for
The Straits & White Bay North, and to the Leader of the
Opposition, you got what you are looking for, so that is
the way it is.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Port de Grave.
MR. BUTLER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Yesterday, I asked the Minister of
Transportation and Works about the unreliable ferry
service to Bell Island. The minister did not talk about
any solutions for tackling the problems and the concerns
of the residents of Bell Island, which occur on a
regular basis.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR. BUTLER:
In his much touted Vessel Replacement
Strategy released back in 2006, Bell Island was
identified as showing economic potential which would
justify it being given priority in terms of ferry
replacement. However, during the Estimates, Mr. Speaker,
the minister stated that the two new ferries would go to
Long Island and St. Brendan’s, then they would be
looking at Fogo and the Straits, then they would turn
their attention to Bell Island.
I ask the minister:
What course of action will your
department be taking to provide the residents of Bell
Island with a reliable and consistent ferry service as
quickly as possible?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. HEDDERSON:
In response to the hon. member’s
question, Mr. Speaker, I would just say the Flanders
is back even as we -
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I ask the hon. the Minister of
Health and the Opposition House Leader to immediately
stop the conversation back and forth or take it to the
outside.
The hon. the Minister of
Transportation and Works.
MR. HEDDERSON:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Just to return to my response,
even as we speak, Mr. Speaker, the Flanders is
back on its run.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Order, please!
MR. HEDDERSON:
As well, with regard to ferry
replacement, Mr. Speaker, there is a plan in place. The
two ferries that the member just referred to are the
medium sized ferries that are not appropriate for Bell
Island. Of course, we have to look at the bigger
picture.
As well, as the member knows, the
Beaumont Hamel and the Flanders were
constructed in 1985, I believe, and 1991. These are
relatively new ferries, Mr. Speaker, and certainly have
a shelf life that can cater to the run back and forth to
Bell Island for any number of years to come.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Port de Grave.
MR. BUTLER:
Mr. Speaker, we often hear
announcements about how much this government invests in
various areas. However, what we do not often hear is how
much money announced is actually spent. In 2007, the
Budget was for $15 million allocated for vessel
replacement. That year, $492,000 was spent for two
ferries. Likewise, in Budget 2008, $33.9 million was
allocated, and the expense reports indicated $9,446,000.
To summarize, over two years, Mr. Speaker, $49 million
was allocated, with only $10 million being spent.
I ask the minister:
How does your government expect
aging vessels to be replaced when the funds are clearly
not being spent, just sitting in the bank?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. HEDDERSON:
It is obvious to me, Mr. Speaker,
that the hon. member on the other side does not
understand that I am not a – I guess you could say that
you would need to be a ferry godfather to just get a
magic wand and make a ferry appear.
When we talk about –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR. HEDDERSON:
When we talk about putting ferries in
place, Mr. Speaker, it takes any number of years to
design, to construct, to test and that sort of thing,
and we want make sure that the government makes the
commitment, because we are not going to put a few
dollars in and then only do half a job. We have to make
sure that there is a commitment for the years to come.
Henceforth, the money that is allocated would be
allocated over a number of years.
There is a schedule in place. The
announcement is made as to how much is allocated for the
construction of the ferry; it is budgetary thing. Again,
we are following along with the strategies. The schedule
is on time, and I am very satisfied.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Port de Grave.
MR. BUTLER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
When the MV Nonia went in
for repairs this past January, the minister stated that
this was not an emergency refit. However, the public
tender documents stated that in fact it was an emergency
refit. There is an obvious contradiction there, Mr.
Speaker.
I ask the minister:
If this was not an emergency refit
situation, why didn’t you follow the provisions of the
Public Tender Act and go through the proper process?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. HEDDERSON:
Mr. Speaker, if he read further,
there is a special consideration for ferries. Ferries,
as we know, provide a valuable service to people on
islands to make sure that they can get back and forth in
a timely fashion. As a minister, I have the flexibility
to make sure that we get a ferry in and out on time.
In this particular case, the ferry
was on dry dock, there were more repairs that needed to
be done. I considered that an emergency and therefore
proceeded to make sure that the work was done and the
ferry was out back in service, so that the people that
it served could get the ferry service as was necessary.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of the Straits & White Bay North.
MR. DEAN:
Mr. Speaker, we all know the fishery
in the Province has not thrived under this government.
In fact, government’s own numbers show there has been a
22 per cent decline in our fishery from 2008-2009. A
Memorandum of Understanding was signed nearly a year ago
to help reshape the fishery to make it more viable. Two
of the players, the FFAW and ASP, are now publicly
calling upon government to fast track this agreement as
they feel there has been little or no progress to deal
with the challenges currently hitting our fishery.
So I ask the minister:
Why has there not been more of a
push by him and his department to ensure that the
parties are vigilantly at the table and making progress
on this critical agreement?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Fisheries
and Aquaculture.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. JACKMAN:
Mr. Speaker, I am going to take the
hon. member back to a little chronology of timelines. A
letter went to both parties on December 17; we met with
them on December 30; had the reports on January 22;
February 12 got the follow-up reports; met with Minister
Shea on February 15; pushed to have the financial
reports, Mr. Speaker, and received them on March 10; had
the committee meet with them on March 18, and, Mr.
Speaker, we had a bit of a lull then. It was called
getting the price set so that we could get the fishery
started.
Mr. Speaker, the steering
committee met about two weeks ago. They are meeting
again this week, and last week. This morning I met with
the chair of the committee, Dr. Tom Clift, and indicated
to him that we want to see a submission of some sort on
the anniversary of this MOU, which was signed on July
11, Mr. Speaker. Up until July 11, and starting as of
now, the steering committee will be meeting pretty
regularly; probably on a biweekly basis, Mr. Speaker. I
offered to him this morning that any supports that he
needs from our department we will be there, Mr. Speaker.
If he considers that non-progress, I do not know what he
is thinking then.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.
MS MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, the Gulf of Mexico
experience has shown us that the technology of capping a
deepwater oil well after a blowout is primitive and
experimental. Mr. Speaker, no matter how good an oil
company’s and other associated industry’s technology
might be at this moment at pumping oil, there is no one
with any ability to stop a deepwater spill.
So, Mr. Speaker, I ask the
Premier: Why are we continuing drilling in deep water
when the worldwide industry does not have effective,
timely means for capping a blowout at such depths?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Deputy Premier and the
Minister of Natural Resources.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, this government, as
well as the people of Newfoundland and Labrador, are
very concerned about what happens in our waters and on
our land with regard to environmental risk. Mr. Speaker,
that is why we have legislation through our
environmental agencies and departments, both federally
and provincially; it is why we have an independent
arm’s-length board under the auspices of both the
federal and provincial government who monitors what goes
on in the offshore and why our standards are very, very
high.
Mr. Speaker, the offshore board,
the C-NLOPB have laid on an extra layer of surveillance
and accountability in terms of the deepwater exploration
well that is currently being drilled in the offshore.
Mr. Speaker, we see what is happening in the Gulf, we
are very concerned. We are paying very, very close
attention to what is happening in our offshore.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.
MS MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I know that the C-NLOPB is putting
as many safety measures in place as possible; that is
not the question. We had a good briefing from them today
and I realize that. However, Mr. Speaker, we do have a
problem if a blowout happens. We are already reaping
billions of dollars in revenue from oil production, Mr.
Speaker. We now have first oil from North Amethyst and
the potential of oil will remain out in the Orphan Basin
while we wait until we can safely drill.
Mr. Speaker, I ask the Premier:
Why are we in such a hurry to drill in deepwater before
knowing what happened in the Gulf of Mexico and before
we have the technology to cap wells if an accident
happens?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Natural
Resources and Deputy Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, we do not have enough
information coming out of the Gulf of Mexico at this
point in time to be really sure, or to be sure at all or
to understand clearly what caused the accident there.
This project drilling in the
Orphan Basin has been in the planning stages for years,
Mr. Speaker. This is not a knee-jerk reaction that took
place, that we had the ability to drill so go drill.
There is a significant amount of planning that goes into
this activity.
Mr. Speaker, we are currently
undertaking a review of our oil spill prevention
regulations, rules legislation, also a review of our
response. If there are other activities, or regulations,
or recommendations coming out of that report that we
need to modify how we are doing this work, Mr. Speaker,
we are certainly going to give that very serious
attention.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.
MS MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I say to the Deputy Premier, Mr.
Speaker, that we have plenty of information coming out
of the Gulf of Mexico. The thing we know is that if a
blowout happens in deepwater, the industry does not have
the technology to stop that blowout.
Mr. Speaker, yesterday in the
House of Commons, an NDP Opposition motion was passed
unanimously to review federal offshore drilling
regulations. Mr. Speaker, the House of Commons will be
conducting a thorough review and revision of all
relevant federal laws, regulations and policies
regarding the development of unconventional sources of
oil and gas, including deepwater oil, in the broadest
possible consultation with all interested stakeholders.
Mr. Speaker, I ask the Premier: If
he will recognize the need to participate in this review
and commit to represent our concerns regarding deepwater
exploration as this review takes place?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Deputy Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, it is important for
the Leader of the NDP to recognize who holds
jurisdiction over the offshore and how the work is done.
If there are legislative changes that are going to be
required to the Atlantic Accord Act and with regard to
safety and environment, Mr. Speaker, it requires the
involvement of the Government of Newfoundland and
Labrador because this is a joint responsibility shared
with ourselves and with the federal government.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The time allotted for questions
and answers has expired.