MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, last year, our office
carried out a survey of municipalities around the
Province on a number of issues. One of those issues was
the Provincial Waste Management Strategy. A majority of
the respondents stated that they were not satisfied with
government’s plan and that they were concerned with the
cost that was associated with it. A year later, many of
these concerns are still being expressed.
I ask the minister:
What process does the government
have in place to address the serious concerns that are
being raised by municipalities, especially on issues
around increased cost?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Municipal
Affairs.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS WHALEN:
I thank the Leader of the Opposition
for her question.
We have in place fifteen regional
committees and subcommittees that are working together
right now. We have spent up to this date $62 million in
implementing that strategy. As the previous
Administration had brought in that strategy with no
funding or no plans to implement that, we have also
budgeted $26 million. With regard to the cost, we are
working through that. The committees are looking at
options with regard to the cost. So, in fact, all across
the Province – I am actually meeting tomorrow morning
with the Eastern Waste Management Committee.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I
certainly thank the minister for her response.
Mr. Speaker, many of the
municipalities do support the intentions of the waste
management program. However, there are concerns with
regard to the level of taxation that will have to be
imposed in order to be able to carry it out. One of
those groups that have recently been expressing concerns
is the Exploits Joint Council.
I ask the minister:
If government has considered
providing any assistance to these municipalities who do
not have the ability to pay in implementing the program,
or will they automatically have to download the expenses
on to the residents of those communities?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Municipal
Affairs.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS WHALEN:
Mr. Speaker, I have listened to the
concerns people are raising about what it is going to
cost to discard our waste. Right now, we looked at, in
some cases it is less than $200 a year. In some cases it
is the price of a cup of coffee. I think it is a new way
of distributing our waste and getting rid of our waste.
It is going to take an education for people to
understand what we are trying to do here as a Province.
We are far behind the times when it comes to getting rid
of our waste. It is not acceptable any more. We need to
protect our environment. We cannot be taking our waste
and throwing it out into the barrens in rural
Newfoundland. Just look at Robin Hood Bay, what has
happened down there. We have put a tremendous amount of
money in Robin Hood Bay and it is a first-class
facility. Out in Norris Arm, they also have a facility.
So, Mr. Speaker, we are indeed
concerned about the cost. We are going to explore all
options and make it as sustainable as we can for our
communities.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Mr. Speaker, last year the federal
government announced that it would be requiring
municipalities across Canada to treat their waste water.
These regulations have since been publicized and it has
caused a great deal of concern for municipalities in the
Province, as the implementation of the proposed
regulations will hit smaller rural and urban communities
especially hard, both financially and in their capacity
to deliver on the necessary infrastructure.
I ask the Minister of the
Environment: How is it that
government is preparing to assist these municipalities
sector with the implementation of the new water waste
regulations being put forward by the federal government?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I thank the Leader of the
Opposition for her question. It is a very good question
and it has very valid points. It is the exact reason,
Mr. Speaker, why I did not, and why this Province did
not sign on to the strategy back in Whitehorse in 2009,
Mr. Speaker, because of the cost that it would incur to
the municipalities in this Province. We have over 700
outfalls in the Province, Mr. Speaker, and we expect
that this will cost the Province anywhere upwards of
$2.9 billion over thirty years. So at that CCME meeting
I put forward to the Minister of Environment federally,
that unless there was something in there to assist
provinces with the cost, we were not going to sign, we
did not sign. Now we see other provinces who did sign
and we see all the uproar that is being caused there.
Mr. Speaker, it is one that we are
working on but we did not sign it for those very
reasons, and it is a valid question.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is my understanding that just
because the Province has not signed on as a government
it does not mean that our residents are going to be
exempt from this policy. What I am understanding from
the Federation of Municipalities, Mr. Speaker, is that
they will have to comply with these federal regulations,
and in doing so, Mr. Speaker, it will cost approximately
$67 million per year just to dedicate to the capital
project. This is money that they do not have in funding
arrangements and they feel that there is an inability to
be able to raise that money as taxes in many of their
municipalities.
So I ask the minister:
Whether we sign on as a Province
or whether we do not, how do we relieve the financial
stress and pressures that are going to be encountered by
these municipalities who are forced to comply with
federal regulations?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Again, very valid questions. I
just got back from Fredericton, New Brunswick, where we
met with the Atlantic ministers, and this is one of the
items that was on the agenda. We agreed, as Atlantic
ministers, to write the federal minister in terms of the
cost and to ask for assistance to provide municipalities
throughout Canada with assistance for this cost, Mr.
Speaker.
There was also an opportunity to
comment to the federal minister by May 19 of this year,
and I know the Municipalities Newfoundland and Labrador
wrote. I also provided a nine page letter to the federal
minister, which I would be more than happy to share with
the member opposite, outlining all of our concerns, but
again, on numerous occasions I have raised this with the
federal minister how cost is very important and we are
looking for assistance from the federal government.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I would
appreciate the minister giving me a copy of that
presentation.
Mr. Speaker, municipalities are
already overburdened with a great many services, waste
management being one and waste water treatment programs
that will cripple them as well. The government committed
to a new fiscal arrangement with municipalities now for
a number of years but so far they fail to deliver on
this arrangement.
I ask the minister:
Given the enhanced fiscal ability
of the government, when can municipalities expect to
have a finalized fiscal sharing arrangement to address
some of these concerns?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Municipal
Affairs.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS WHALEN:
Mr. Speaker, we are working closely
with the Federation of Municipalities for new fiscal
framework for the municipalities. We have contributed to
all of the municipalities millions of dollars; we work
with municipalities in projects that they put forward.
There is a ninety-ten that we brought in – the ratios.
In fact, Mr. Speaker, I am looking
forward to trying to complete a piece of work that is
involved with the fiscal framework that I will be
putting forward to our government to look at to help
municipalities with their downloading, as you put it,
Opposition Leader.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House Leader.
MR. KELVIN PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The Premier commissioned Mr. Bill
Marshall to complete a review of the Inland Fish and
Wildlife Program in 2005. A draft copy of the report was
submitted to the Premier in 2006 with a final report
said to be imminent. However, various ministers have
stated in this House over the past two years that the
report has not been completed yet.
I ask the Premier:
We have been waiting four years
now for this report to be released; where is it?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Justice and
the Attorney General.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. F. COLLINS:
Mr. Speaker, we do not have Mr.
Marshall’s final report as of yet, but having said that,
the Inland Fish Program is working exceedingly well. It
is not broke, so there is no need to fix it at this
point in time. The results from inland fish have been
very good and we are quite pleased with the efforts that
they are making.
When Mr. Marshall was solicited to
do this report, Mr. Speaker, there were some human
resource problems with that program, but they have since
been worked out and the program is functioning very
well.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House Leader.
MR. KELVIN PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
We have spoken with employees of
the Inland Fish and Wildlife Program who were promised
this report some four years ago. We received portions of
a 100 page preliminary report that Mr. Marshall
submitted under the Access to Information request that
we filed some four years ago. Of course, most of that
was blacked out as well, which is standard government
policy, it seems.
I ask the minister:
When do you expect to receive the report and finally be
in a position to release it to the public? It is just
not good enough to say we asked him and he has not
complied. Is he doing the job or not doing the job and
when do you expect to hear from him?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Justice and
the Attorney General.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. F. COLLINS:
Mr. Speaker, the policy that the hon.
member referred to is the ATIPP policy and one that this
government abides by. So the hon. member should
understand that.
Mr. Speaker, when we get Justice
Marshall’s report and recommendations, and we will look
forward to receiving them, if they can be implemented
and can improve the system, we will certainly consider
that. As for now, Mr. Speaker, the system is working
very well, and when we get Judge Marshall’s report, we
will consider it then.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House Leader.
MR. KELVIN PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, it is important for the
people of the Province that they see Mr. Marshall’s
final report. In his preliminary findings he stated, and
I quote, that he had a "troubling image of an area of
the public service with the potential of imploding on
itself."
I ask the minister:
With such strong statements being
made, why are you still sitting back, doing nothing, and
continue to do nothing after four years? Is this just
another case, Mr. Speaker, that you did not like the
findings and recommendations that were made in the
preliminary report and you have therefore buried it
within government?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Justice and
Attorney General.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. F. COLLINS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, Justice Marshall did
make some preliminary recommendations, which this
government considered, and in fact, the system did not
implode. As a matter of fact, quite the reverse
happened. If it had imploded, Mr. Speaker, then we would
have, I think, different results. The results we are
getting today shows that the system is working very
well, and there is no sign anywhere, in my estimation,
of any implosion in that service.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House Leader.
MR. KELVIN PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well maybe the minister should
read the report, because I quoted exactly from the piece
that we did manage to siphon out of the government under
the freedom of access to information.
Mr. Speaker, you can get a
university degree in four years. Mr. Marshall was also
contracted four years ago to conduct a review of the
Crown Prosecutor’s office, as a result of a
recommendation of the Lamer Inquiry - four years ago.
I ask the minister:
Has this report on the Crown
Prosecutor’s Office been completed and submitted to the
government, and if not, why do you feel it is acceptable
to have two very important reports, of such importance
to this Province in fact, being delayed for four years
by the same person?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Justice and
Attorney General.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. F. COLLINS:
Mr. Speaker, in the interim, this
government has also commissioned another report on
prosecutions, which made some sweeping recommendations
and changes to the prosecutorial service, which has
served this Province very well.
Again, we have not received
Justice Marshall’s report. If he can add anything in his
recommendations to what we have, we will certainly
consider it when we get it.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Port de Grave.
MR. BUTLER:
Mr. Speaker, the Stephenville Theatre
Festival begins on June 30. This is one of the largest
and most anticipated events of the year for this
community and those in the surrounding area. The
festival relies on their signs to attract tourists.
Therefore, they purchased and installed new signs to
promote this event. However, government recently removed
their brand new signs without notice.
I ask the minister:
Why were these signs removed and
what is the rationale behind taking down signs during
tourist season when we know that the TODS program will
not be fully implemented for years down the road?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Government
Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. O’BRIEN:
Yes, Mr. Speaker, in regard to the
TODS system, one of the most recognized and most
effective signage programs in the world, I say that the
hon. member must know something that I do not know in
that it is going to take years and years to implement
it. We are in the process of implementing that and
certainly we have done a lot of work to the TODS system.
In regard to your question to the
Stephenville festival, I gave an interview on Radio Noon
today. We are there to work with those particular groups
around the Province and certainly we see the need in
regard to promoting their festivals as a tourist
destination. It is important to the region. In turn, I
have to say that the proper permitting was not in place
in regard to those signs and that is the reason why they
were taken down last fall.
As well, I have an official in the
area at this very moment meeting with the festival
committee, to work with them, get the proper permits in
place and the applications in place. Certainly, we will
work with them in regard to any cost (inaudible).
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Port de Grave.
MR. BUTLER:
Mr. Speaker, in two recent newspaper
articles relating to the TODS program there was a
notable discrepancy coming from the Department of
Government Services. On the one hand the department is
saying they are not at this point of removing signs, yet
on the other hand, the minister has explained that sign
removal has been taking place in preparation for the
implementation of the TODS program.
I ask the minister:
Can you explain to us today why
your department is claiming that signs have not been
taken down when clearly they are?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Government
Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. O’BRIEN:
Mr. Speaker, back about June last
year, in 2009, we implemented a process, we gave proper
notice in regard to removal of illegal signs, or signs
that just do not have any permits in place. We started
that process in probably about August or September of
last year. The signs in question that the hon. member
mentioned in his past question were removed last fall.
Any signage that has been removed any time after that
date is being in an illegal category and we will
continue that process.
We are not absolutely 100 per cent
in everything we do. We have missed certain signs that
are not meeting the regulations surrounding the TODS
system, the current regulations that are in place for
that signage policy, but we are continuing the process
in regard encouraging each and every one of those
organizations to enter into the TODS system.
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for the
District of Port de Grave.
MR. BUTLER:
With all due respect to the minister,
Mr. Speaker, legal signs have been removed in this
Province.
Mr. Speaker, after a recent
meeting with the municipalities in the Bay St. George
area, the Minister of Government Services stated that he
will take into consideration the concerns that have been
brought forward to him regarding the new TODS program.
I ask the minister: If
you are willing to address these concerns, why are you
still removing signs before those issues can be
rectified?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Government
Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. O’BRIEN:
Mr. Speaker, I do not think the hon.
member listens very well, because I have already
indicated that the only signs that are being removed
with regard to our provincial highways and our
Trans-Canada Highway are signs that have not been
permitted in the correct manner or are illegal. Those
are the ones that have been removed.
Also, as well, if we have removed
any signs that are in the legal category and properly
permitted, we have worked with the organizations in
question - as a matter of fact, a couple in regard to
the West Coast - and we have redeveloped those signs to
the proper way that they had them developed and they
have been placed. We will work with each and every one.
If we have removed any signs that are legal and have
been properly permitted, we will work with those
particular people in regard to redeveloping…
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Port de Grave.
MR. BUTLER:
Mr. Speaker, in one minute the
minister is saying we have not removed any legal signs
but now he is saying if we have, we will probably deal
with those people.
Mr. Speaker, we have heard from
the minister many times that they are not removing legal
signs. However, there is obvious confusion in the
industry as to what is expected of them when putting up
their business signs and signs are still coming down. As
I stated earlier, the minister met with the people on
the West Coast and he stated that he would consider the
concerns in that area during the development of the new
policy and regulations for the TODS program.
I ask the minister:
When will the new policies and regulations be in place
that will give clear direction to the business
operators?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Tourism,
Culture and Recreation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. FRENCH:
Mr. Speaker, we are currently in -
the hon. member is getting confused, because there is
currently a signage policy in this Province. In order to
put up a sign you have to apply for a permit and put up
a sign. If you are given permission and it is
appropriate, you are allowed to put up the sign in the
place that is designated. However, Mr. Speaker, this has
nothing to do with the TODS system whatsoever.
The TODS system is a new program
that we are developing. We are currently in the early
stages of development. We are consulting with
municipalities throughout the Province, Mr. Speaker. We
are consulting with Hospitality Newfoundland and
Labrador and, Mr. Speaker, somewhere down within the
next twenty-four months, Mr Speaker, we will have a
provincial signage policy called TODS.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES: