MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, last week in the
House of Assembly the Minister of Environment stated
that within days of receiving information last fall
about health and safety concerns in Buchans she made it
public. On page 9 of the CRA report on the Buchans site,
it cites a Human Health Risk Assessment report that was
commissioned in 2007, yet the information was not
disclosed by her department publicly until the fall of
2009.
I ask the minister:
When did you receive a copy of
that health risk assessment report that was completed by
Jacques Whitford in 2007?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, I really want to thank
the member opposite for her question because it gives me
the opportunity to clear up the misinformation that CBC
has put out there this morning.
Back in September 2007, the Town
of Buchans did contact the Department of Environment at
the time with an issue. Mr. Speaker, quickly we hired a
consultant to go out and do a Human Health Risk
Assessment. That piece of work was done in literally
less than months. The report came to our office in
December 2007, at which time my officials went out to
the Town of Buchans, gave the report to the Town of
Buchans in less than days. The Town of Buchans at that
time, Mr. Speaker, asked to have a public meeting. That
public meeting was held and my officials were there. In
fact, Mr. Speaker, CBC carried the reports of that
within days after the public meeting.
So, a completely wrong story this
morning and I thank the member opposite for the
opportunity to clear it up.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Just to get
back to the Jacques Whitford assessment that was done,
can the minister tell us when she received that report?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, this report that was
done by Jacques Whitford was done on a specific area,
the Mucky Ditch, which was exactly what the town asked
for. It came in December, 2007. I do not have the exact
date before me, but within days, Mr. Speaker, officials
from the department went to the Town of Buchans, met
with the mayor and the council. They were very pleased
with the work that was done. We held a public meeting,
the public meeting was reported on, and that site was in
fact remediated that very summer.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I understand from the minister
that she did hold a public meeting going back to, I am
assuming, 2007 in the community of Buchans.
I ask her to
indicate the date that that meeting was held and if it
was indeed a public meeting as opposed to a meeting with
the municipality?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, I suspect that the
Leader of the Opposition is doing the same amount of
research that CBC did on this, Mr. Speaker, and that is
why I have to clear that up here this morning.
The public meeting was held March
25, 2008 and CBC, as well as many other media outlets,
reported on it that following Monday.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Can the
minister indicate to me if the Jacques Whitford report
was presented to the town and to the public at that time
and the report made available? Can she also tell me if
she provided notification to the town in writing that
she had those reports and what it contained?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, not only did we give
them the report, but if she wants to go into our Web
site a lot of the information is up on the Web. So, that
is how open we are, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I want to clarify, because the
facts are important, and I ask the minister again:
If she provided the information to
them in writing, and if so, can she provide a copy of
that for me?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, there is one statement
that she said that is certainly true and she should live
by that, the facts are important. That is why I need to
put the correct facts out there.
The report, not only was it up on
the Web, but, Mr. Speaker, we went and hand delivered it
to the town. I mean, you cannot get more interactive
than hand delivering it to the community.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, officials in my
department spoke to the Mayor of Buchans this morning,
because again, when these things are put out in the
media there is a certain amount of alarm that is raised
and we do not want that unnecessary fear and panic out
there. Mr. Speaker, the Mayor of Buchans did not know
where this story was coming from. He understood at the
time that we went out, we gave him the report, he asked
for a public meeting, we did the public meeting and the
site was remediated. End of story, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Quite simply, I ask the minister
again: Did you provide written
notice to the Town of Buchans?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Minister of
Environment and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I would assume that
hand delivering a copy of the report would be better
than a letter in writing but I can certainly go back to
the department and see if it was put in writing. The
main point here is that we gave them the report, we
acted on the report, we did everything that the town
wanted to do and the issue has been remediated, and the
Town of Buchans and the Mayor of Buchans, whom we spoke
to today, have absolutely no issue with it.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I appreciate her doing that and to
please provide us with a copy of that letter, if it
exists.
Mr. Speaker, we now know that the
minister also had the CRA reports regarding contaminated
Abitibi properties in her possession since last year and
that documentation was filed with the Quebec courts to
justify the minister’s claim of recovery of cleanup
costs against Abitibi.
I ask the minister:
When did you first discuss these
CRA reports with the municipalities of Grand
Falls-Windsor, Botwood, and Stephenville, and who did
you speak with regarding them?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I guess she is recycling her
questions from last week, but I will gladly give the
answer again this week.
Mr. Speaker, what we did when
those reports were being done is that it came to our
attention that there was immediate health and safety
concern in the community of Buchans. That is where we
threw all of our attention, that is where we
prioritized, that is where we acted quickly.
Mr. Speaker, in all the other
communities, while there are environmental issues and
that they do need to be remediated, they are not of a
health and safety nature, Mr. Speaker. There was one
instance in one of the reports I looked at in Botwood
that I thought there may have been an issue, so what we
did is we went out and we met with the Mayor of Botwood
and the council of Botwood and that turned out to be a
non issue when it came to immediate health and safety.
Mr. Speaker, the Mayor of Grand Falls himself was in the
media last week and said this is what is to be expected
of an industry site and there are no surprises here.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
I ask the minister again, Mr.
Speaker, quite simply, a very simple question, it does
not take a long, complicated answer to provide the
answer.
I ask the minister again:
When did you first discuss the CRA
reports with the municipalities of Grand Falls-Windsor,
Botwood, and Stephenville, and who did you speak with
minister?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, as part of a Phase I
assessment, part of that involved interviewing people
who worked on the site, interviewing the community,
interviewing the town council.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS JOHNSON:
Those pieces of work were done by our
consultants. So the Town of Grand Falls-Windsor, the
Town of Stephenville, the Town of Botwood was certainly
interviewed along the way. Discussions were had with
those communities along the way, but in the instance
where there was immediate health and safety concern, we
went out to the community in the Town of Buchans. In the
Budget this year, to the tune of $9 million to remediate
that site, Mr. Speaker. The tenders are going out in the
near future. If, in any case, as I said last week, there
was an immediate health and safety concern we would have
certainly gone out immediately to those towns, as we did
in Buchans, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is obvious that the minister
did not undertake to meet with those groups at that time
and if she did, why isn’t she disclosing the information
to the House?
Mr. Speaker, the CRA reports
clearly identified environmental contamination at sites
in the municipalities of Botwood, Grand Falls-Windsor,
Stephenville, some of which would be dangerous to human
health and some of which is harmful to the environment.
I ask the minister:
Did you give written notice to
these towns of those contaminated sites and provide them
with copies of these reports?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, it sounds like the
Leader of the Opposition wants us to hold a public
meeting, call all the residents in and say there is no
issue for health and safety in your residence. That is
not necessary, Mr. Speaker. Where it was necessary we
went out and did that; exactly, that is what we did in
the case in Buchans, Mr. Speaker.
If there had been an issue we
would have did the exact same thing. I do not know how
to put it any plainer and simpler to her, that this was
an immediate priority; that is where we focused all of
our attention in dealing with that issue and committing
the $9 million to the people of the Town of Buchans so
that the health and safety concerns would be addressed
there.
All of these other issues are
industrial issues. There was a piece of work done but
there needs to be more work done. A Phase I and a Phase
II assessments were completed on these properties but in
order to know what the risk assessment is of these, that
is exactly what we asked Abitibi to do, go do the
further phase assessments and do the risk assessment,
Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Mr.Speaker, I say to the minister, it
is not what we want it is what you are obligated to do
as a minister. Mr. Speaker, under section 27 of the
Environmental Protection Act it states that the minister
shall give notice in writing to a municipality where the
contaminated site is located.
Minister, I ask you again:
Did you give notice in writing,
once you obtained this information, and provide it to
the Towns of Botwood, Stephenville, and Grand
Falls-Windsor?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, we did exactly what we were supposed to do.
In the case of the Town of Buchans there was an
immediate health and safety concern, Mr. Speaker -
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS JOHNSON: -
and we acted quickly.
Mr. Speaker, I cannot tell the
member opposite often enough how if this had come up in
any of these other communities, Mr. Speaker, we would
have done the exact same thing.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The Chair is having difficulty
hearing the hon. minister and hearing the questions
asked. I ask members for their co-operation.
The hon. the Minister of
Environment and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, to leave the
impression that there were health and safety issues, Mr.
Speaker, that is totally untrue and unfair of the member
opposite, too. She just mentioned that in the preamble
to her question. That is not the case. Mr. Speaker,
where it was the case we acted.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Under the act that the minister is
obligated to follow in her duties in carrying out the
role as Minister of Environment in this Province, Mr.
Speaker, it says that she shall give notice in writing
to the municipalities where these contaminated sites are
located.
I ask you again, minister:
Did you give notice, and will you
table the copies of those letters in the House of
Assembly today?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, yes, we provided notice
where notice was warranted. Mr. Speaker, notice was
certainly warranted in the case of the Town of Buchans.
Mr. Speaker, in these other sites - look at the Grand
Falls mill for instance. Mr. Speaker, that mill has been
operating for 100 years, long before we had a Department
of Environment, long before we had an Environmental
Protection Act, Mr. Speaker. So these contaminants have
been around a while.
The Leader of the Opposition
leaves the impression that we are only doing this now
that Abitibi has pulled out. Mr. Speaker, back in 2006
as part of the certificate of approval, we required
Abitibi at that time to come up with a decommissioning
plan, long before there was any talk of them moving
outside the community. We have been working on this. The
Department has been very diligent in ensuring that the
environmental guidelines and quality for the people of
those communities are certainly met.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I want to remind the minister that
there is no distinction in our act between the
environmentally contaminated sites and human health and
safety risks. However, it is very clear what it requires
you to do as minister.
I ask you again:
Did you provide the written notice
of these contaminated sites to those municipalities as
was required of you as a minister?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Minister of
Environment and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, the people who live in
these communities, the councils and the mayors
themselves – I heard the Mayor of Stephenville on, I
heard the Mayor of Grand Falls-Windsor on, we have
spoken to the Mayor of Buchans many times, the Mayor of
Botwood. They all know what is in their communities, Mr.
Speaker.
We prioritize; we went out with
the Town of Buchans and all of these communities, Mr.
Speaker. There was contact made with the Town of Botwood.
I personally made contact myself with the Mayor of Grand
Falls-Windsor. Mr. Speaker, the Mayor of Stephenville
full well knows on an industrial site that there is
going to be environmental contamination.
The point that the member is
missing, Mr. Speaker, is that these are not of a human
health and safety concern. If they had been, we would
have done the exact same thing we did in the Town of
Buchans. I do not know why the member cannot get that,
Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The minister knows that she failed
in carrying out her duties and she has no information to
provide. She did not hold the public sessions in the
communities as she was supposed to, Mr. Speaker. Mr.
Speaker, in the ministerial orders that were issued by
the minister related to the Grand Falls-Windsor mill
site, she states that contamination has migrated or
unless remediated will migrate off the Grand
Falls-Windsor site.
I ask the minister:
If you feel that this
contamination is migrating off the primary mill site, as
stated in your ministerial order to the courts, why have
you not disclosed this information to the public so that
they can be aware of this risk?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, speaking of failing in
carrying out our duties, we had a line of questioning
here started by the Leader of the Opposition today, it
was completely based on an untrue story, not based on
fact, and totally incorrect information. So, let’s not
go there.
Mr. Speaker, when it comes to the
Grand Falls mill –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS JOHNSON:
– we have security in place. We are
continuing with the environmental effects monitoring on
the Exploits River, we are continuing to do all of the
sampling of the discharge that goes into the river, and
to date, there has been no reason for concern there.
That is exactly why we are
continuing to monitor it, Mr. Speaker. If something
should come up that is of a human health and safety
concern, the mayor of Grand Falls-Windsor can be rest
assured that I will personally contact him myself.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I ask the minister again:
Why would you disclose information
of contaminations and concerns about it in a court case,
but not disclose it to the public in this very community
that is affected?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Environment
and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, the contamination on
these sites is certainly a concern –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS JOHNSON:
– when it comes to an environmental
perspective. They are on an industrial site. There is
arsenic there in the ground from the years of the coal
days.
Mr. Speaker, certainly, that is to
be expected. However, if there was something on these
sites that were of a human health and safety concern -
they say if you repeat it often enough, eventually it
will sink in. So once again, I will say that if it was
of a human health and safety concern, Mr. Speaker, we
would certainly be in contact with the town of whatever
community it is, the people there, and if need be,
public meetings will be held – but to call people into a
public meeting, and to call all the residents in and say
there is no issue of residential concern here just does
not seem to make sense.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Back in March, we raised the issue
of fifteen striking workers on the Burin Peninsula who
were job coaches for people with disabilities. They have
been on strike since November of 2009, and these
employees were making anywhere between $9.37 an hour to
$10.63 an hour. At that time, the Minister of Finance
said that both sides remained far apart. Yet, we
understand the cost to settle the dispute is only
$17,500 additional income per year.
I ask the government today:
Why are you leaving these fifteen
workers, these fourteen disabled clients, out in the
street for the sake of $17,500; yet, you are paying a
Child and Youth Advocate $175 an hour and a CEO in this
Province $35,000 a year in housing allowances?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
There are twenty employment
corporations in the Province that hire job support
workers who in turn work with people with disabilities
and help them perform their jobs in the community. Three
of those are represented by NAPE, the other seventeen
are not. Government is not the employer and government
is not the negotiator, except for Burin where
government, under the provisions of the Public Service
Collective Bargaining Act, is the negotiator.
Negotiations have been ongoing.
There have been lots of discussions between the parties,
but, unfortunately, we remain far apart.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The minister knows that NAPE is
the bargaining agent for these individuals. He also
knows that any increase in wages will have to come from
the Provincial Treasury.
So I ask you again, Minister:
How can you justify paying out
housing allowances to CEOs, $175 an hour salaries to
others in the Province; yet, keep these fifteen people
on the street for the sake of $17,500?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
As I indicated, Mr. Speaker,
negotiations have been ongoing. We understand each
other’s position quite clearly. The two sides get
together from time to time. Sometimes different people
will talk to different Members of the House of Assembly,
different members of government and when that happens we
would get together but, unfortunately, we do remain far
apart.
Mr. Speaker, groups like the
Employment Corporation provide a very valuable service
to people of this Province. Government values what they
do and government supports them financially, but that
does not mean they are employees of the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador. That does not mean they are
entitled to whatever benefits, both financial and
otherwise, that the employees in the Province get. They
are employees of the Employment Corporation and not
employees of government.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It was this government who
insisted that the same clauses that were in the last
Public Service Commission contract also be in the Burin
workers’ contract, which include market adjustment,
extended earnings loss and sick leave entitlement.
However, on the other hand, Mr. Speaker, government is
not prepared to leave in the reclassification review
clause that the Public Service Commission employees will
receive.
I ask the minister:
Why would you treat these
employees any different? Why would you expect them to
have some of the same conditions in their contract; yet,
have others left out that they want to have included?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
Mr. Speaker, as I said these
employees work for the Employment Corporation. They are
not employees of the government. It is not appropriate
to have employees classified under the government system
when they are not employees of the government. This is
the government’s classification system and an outside
board cannot commit to pay employees under the
government’s classification system. It is very simple.
Government is not the employer.
Government, for the most part, is not the negotiator
with the exception of Burin.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Obviously, government is becoming
somewhat more choosey these days about what agreements
they decide to get involved in because they had no
problem getting involved with VON out on the West Coast
a couple of years ago, which resulted in a minister in
the Cabinet ending up resigning.
I say to you, Minister, the only
way that this is going to get resolved is if the
government is prepared to agree to the reclassification
and put in the extra money in a contract for these
employees. Are you telling me
today that you are satisfied to leave these fifteen
workers out in the street and the fourteen people with
disabilities who need the service at home with no
services?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
I think it is important to note that
it was NAPE that took the employees out. Government did
not force the employees out.
Mr. Speaker, as I indicated there
are twenty of these Employment Corporations. The
seventeen who are not unionized are earning $11 an hour
and Burin is earning just under that, as is Port aux
Basques. Mr. Speaker, government will continue to
negotiate. We are prepared to be reasonable, but the
offer that the employer has made in this circumstance
is, in our view, fair and reasonable, especially in
these very uncertain economic times.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Mr. Speaker, we know that the people
in Burin today are on strike. We also know that there
are two other groups in a strike position and they have
given a strong mandate to their union, from what I
understand, the people in Stephenville and Port aux
Basques. For these people, Minister, you know it is just
about the pay cheque – not just about the pay cheque but
about the job, the job they do in providing services to
these people.
I ask you, Minister:
Will you commit today to do
something to resolve this issue (inaudible) –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
Did the hon. minister hear the
question?
I ask members for their
co-operation.
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition, if you would be kind enough to repeat your
question.
MS JONES:
Mr. Speaker, we know, as I said, that
there are two other groups in the Province, in
Stephenville and Port aux Basques, that also have a
mandate to go to a strike, and for all of these
employees, Mr. Speaker, it is about providing services
to their clients, to the people they represent. They
earn very low wages.
I ask the minister today: Is
he prepared to make this a priority of his government
and put the resources there to get this settled so that
these individuals can go back to work?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
Mr. Speaker, with respect to Bay St.
George and with Port aux Basques, government has no
involvement as employer. We have no involvement - we are
not the negotiator. Government does provide funding to
the associations, because we value the work that they
do; and, with respect to Burin, government will continue
to negotiate with NAPE, but government has made a fair
offer of 20 per cent over four years – I think 21.40 per
cent is the actual offer - and under the circumstances,
Mr. Speaker, that is a very fair and generous offer.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.
MS MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, many concerns have
come out as a result of the Wells Inquiry and the Gulf
of Mexico disaster, around offshore worker safety and
the environment. Mr. Speaker, last week the Minister of
Natural Resources said she is confident that the C-NLOPB
will protect worker safety and the environment even in
untested deepwater drilling, and mentioned that they
have a chief safety and a chief environmental officer.
Mr. Speaker, I ask the Minister of
Natural Resources to tell the House how many other
personnel are working in health and safety and the
environment portfolios at the C-NLOPB, besides these two
officers.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Natural
Resources and Deputy Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, there are a number of
other officers. I know that there are three
environmental inspectors, and there are several other
people involved in occupational health and safety, Mr.
Speaker. I will endeavour to get those exact numbers and
provide them to the Leader of the NDP.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for District of
Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.
MS MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I had a follow-up question, but I
will wait until I hear the full answer on the numbers
before I ask my next question, but I will go on.
Mr. Speaker, since 1989 we have
had draft occupational health and safety regulations for
offshore health and safety. They have never been put in
place, and are now out of date and need to be reviewed.
Some of the safety problems that came up during the
Wells Inquiry are a result of the federal and provincial
governments contracting out their responsibility for
health and safety to the C-NLOPB. The C-NLOPB reports to
the federal and provincial Departments of Natural
Resources, which are primarily concerned with production
and development, not the safety of workers.
Mr. Speaker, I ask the minister:
When are occupational health and safety regulations for
the offshore going to be put in place?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Deputy Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, there are
occupational health and safety guidelines in draft form.
These form part of the authorization to drill in our
offshore, and are required to be followed by the
operators. Mr. Speaker, these OHS Regulations involved
three jurisdictions: ourselves, the Province of Nova
Scotia and the federal government.
These guidelines have been ten
years in the making, Mr. Speaker, a complicated piece of
work, but I am happy to report that all Legislatures of
the three jurisdictions will be bringing that forward in
the fall sessions of our respective Parliaments.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.
MS MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I certainly look forward to seeing
that legislation when it comes to the House.
Mr. Speaker, given that a number
of problems surfaced during the Wells inquiry, and a
number of issues have been raised by local scientists
that environmental monitoring has not revealed the
extent of oil spills and their impact on sea birds, fish
and other wildlife to the public, I ask the minister if
she could tell us: What is the C-NLOPB’s capacity to do
research and get that information out to the public?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Deputy Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, certainly, some of
that work will form part of the review that is ongoing.
We have available to the C-NLOPB and to governments the
effect of the wind, the waves, on oil spills on our
offshore. Mr. Speaker, there is a great deal of science
around the effect on fish. Up to this point there is not
known to be any effect on fish from oil spills, although
there is a significant effect if there is fishing gear
in the area.
The most vulnerable population to
oil spill, Mr. Speaker, are birds. There is significant
science available on that piece, but we always look for
other opportunities to increase the information we have
and we support the C-NLOPB in that effort, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The time allotted for questions and
answers has expired.