MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, just recently the
Minister of Finance stated that he was not going to
consider a change in policy to allow casinos in our
Province. However, announcements last week that the
Atlantic Lotto Corporation, along with the B.C. and
Quebec Lottery Corporations, will be launching on-line
casino gambling in the fall. The vision will be gambling
on the go, including mobile phones, laptop computers and
terminals at lottery kiosk to access a host of gambling
games.
I ask the minister:
What is the difference between
gambling under one roof than gambling under every roof
in the Province?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
Mr. Speaker, this government has made
it clear that we do not intend to have casinos in the
Province of Newfoundland and Labrador. When we came into
office we found that the previous government had
introduced VLTs in 1991. There were about 2,700 VLTs in
existence at the time. We announced in Budget 2005, and
commenced in the year 2006, a five-year strategy to
reduce the number of VLTs in this Province. We announced
that we would attempt to reduce the number of machines
by 20 per cent. Here it is, we are in the final year and
I am pleased to say that we have reduced the number of
machines by 26.1 per cent.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Unfortunately, the minister is not
answering the question, so I will try again. There are
currently many unregulated, on-line casino gambling
sites but all of them are from outside of the country.
The latest announcement from the Atlantic Lottery
Corporation and other Canadian lottery corporations will
see this change. In fact, the Atlantic Lottery
Corporation will introduce its own on-line casino
gambling that will see it compete with these offshore
sites.
I ask the minister:
What discussions has your
government had with the Atlantic Lottery Corporation
about introducing provincially regulated, on-line casino
gambling in Newfoundland and Labrador?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The ALC has indicated that there
is a migration of gamblers in Atlantic Canada from
things like VLTs and the ticket stubs to on-line
gambling, which is illegal in this country, but I
understand there are over 2,000 illegal sites that are
up there from all over the world and that there are
people in this Province, especially younger people, who
are utilizing those on-line gambling activities – which
we cannot regulate. We do not have the ability to
regulate, although they operate in contravention of the
Criminal Code of Canada.
Now, some preliminary discussions
have take place. I understand that the provinces of
P.E.I. and New Brunswick have made a decision to support
the ALC going that way. The Government of Newfoundland
and Labrador has not made a decision, neither has the
Government of Nova Scotia. There is a meeting of Finance
Ministers in a couple of weeks in Charlottetown, and the
Finance Ministers will no doubt be having a discussion
there.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
We know that on-line gambling is a
growing industry, and we know that Canadians will spend
more than $1 billion in on-line casino gambling this
year.
I ask the minister:
In considering this regulated
process, what is the Province’s anticipated cut of these
on-line gambling revenues in Atlantic Canada, and for
Newfoundland and Labrador, under that process?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
Mr. Speaker, the Government of
Newfoundland and Labrador have made no decision at this
time to take part in any on-line gambling. I suppose
that if the ALC did proceed with that and the
Newfoundland government went along with that, an
agreement would be entered into. As to what our cut
might be, at this time there have been no discussions
along those lines.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The minister says they have not
decided if they are going to be a part of this process,
but I would assume that you would have the information,
minister, as to what it entails. The Atlantic Lottery
Corporation has added some on-line gambling through
PlaySphere. However, those that have been introduced so
far are the safer forms of gambling.
In government’s 2009 Gambling
Prevalence Study, it estimates that none of the
PlaySphere memberships are problem gamblers. This will
change immediately if Atlantic Lottery Corporation
introduces on-line gambling in our Province. The same
study also shows that problem gambling rates for
Internet poker is five times higher than the provincial
problem gambling rate at present.
I ask the Minister of Health:
Has your department had any
discussions with the Atlantic Lottery Corporation about
on-line casino gambling in this Province, and wouldn’t
this be in a complete conflict with government’s own
strategy to reduce the number of gambling machines in
the Province?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
Mr. Speaker, as I said there has been
certain information provided. The Government of
Newfoundland and Labrador has not given consideration to
this and no decision has been made to take part in any
Internet gambling.
Of course, the Internet gambling
is already there. As I said earlier, there are about
2,000 sites that are up there that are totally
unregulated. As a matter of fact we cannot regulate
them; we do not have the ability to regulate them. What
the Atlantic Lottery Corporation is proposing is that at
least if they got into that particular business, at
least on-line gambling would be offered in this Province
and it would, in fact, be regulated.
They have also made the argument
that by doing that there is more responsible gaming
measures that can be put into the system in terms of
finding how often somebody gambles, you would allow
persons to put limits on how much they want to gamble,
to put time limits on. It is early days, Mr. Speaker, we
are not there yet.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
My question is for the Minister of
Health and that is: Have you
had any consultation with the Atlantic Lottery
Corporation? Will this be in conflict with the strategy
that the government has already in place to reduce the
number of VLTs in the Province?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Health and
Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. KENNEDY:
Yes, Mr. Speaker, as I have indicated
on numerous occasions publicly and in this hon. House,
the issue of mental health and addictions is a number
one priority for me in this fiscal year and hopefully
out years. Mr. Speaker, we are investing significant
money in mental health and addictions. I have outlined
on numerous occasions the kinds of money that we put
into addiction.
One of the unfortunate realities
of life, Mr. Speaker, is that certain people become
addicted to substances, to gambling, alcohol, tobacco.
As a government, what we have to do is balance the
imposition of governmental power in saying to the public
you can do this or you cannot do that, with the ability
to regulate.
I have not had any discussions
with the Atlantic Lottery Corporation in terms of the
reduction of VLTs; that is something that comes under
the Minister of Finance’s department. What I have been
doing, Mr. Speaker, is dealing with the addictions. We
have recently announced a new adult addictions treatment
centre in Harbour Grace. We have the youth addictions
centre in Grand Falls-Windsor and we are investing
significant money, Mr. Speaker, in the treatment of
addictions.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, yesterday in the
House of Assembly the Minister of Natural Resources
indicated that a German company had shown some interest
in occupying the expropriated Abitibi mill in Grand
Falls-Windsor. However, as well, Mr. Speaker, the day
before the Minister of Transportation and Works was
quoted in the local paper saying that they were 99 per
cent sure as a government that they would be
decommissioning the mill out there.
So I ask the minister:
Is the mill on the dismantling
list at this stage, or is it being sold off to another
operator, or are you still trying to find a way to give
it back to Abitibi-Consolidated?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. HEDDERSON:
Mr. Speaker, again, obviously from
the aspect of Transportation and Works, we are securing
the mill and in securing the mill we are out with six or
half a dozen displaced workers from the mill working
there on security, keeping the basic systems going,
basically keeping the lights on, awaiting a decision as
to where we go forward with the mill, very encouraged by
the news yesterday that there is an interested party.
So, right now we are just holding in a holding pattern,
neither decommissioning nor commissioning, I suppose,
and waiting as we see what happens.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Now that the Minister of Works
knows about the German company, he has obviously changed
his tune since Monday when they were 99 per cent sure of
dismantling it.
Mr. Speaker, since this company
has toured the mill, I ask the
minister if she can tell us what interest they have
shown in that particular paper mill and also if they
have been touring any other closed mills in the country
as part of their sightseeing visit.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Natural
Resources and Deputy Premier.
MS DUNDERDALE:
Mr. Speaker, this company contacted
us sometime ago expressing an interest in the mill in
Grand Falls-Windsor. They have initiated a number of
contacts with us. We have provided certain information
to them. They expressed an interest.
Mr. Speaker, before I would engage
with them, it was important to me and to this government
that they come, have a look at the facility in Grand
Falls-Windsor, understand exactly what it was that they
were dealing with, and that we would move forward after
that process had taken place.
The indication of their
seriousness, Mr. Speaker, is they sent somebody from
Germany to have a look at this mill. When I asked him
what his observations were, he told me quite frankly
that it was exactly what he had expected to see. They
have gone back to do some work. We expect to have some
kind of a submission from them in the next month or so,
Mr. Speaker, and based on that we will see where we go.
It is early days – early, early
days, Mr. Speaker
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
So the minister is not aware if
the company has been looking at other closed mills in
the country.
Mr. Speaker, the minister also
indicated that she had met with the company and she
advised them of what this Province has to offer, and I
ask her today: Will the past
power arrangement that was held by Abitibi be available
to any new operator of that mill?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Deputy Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Mr. Speaker, when the members
opposite sat over here they certainly had no expertise
in developing deals, negotiating contracts, as we saw on
a number of occasions in the fourteen years of their
mandate. Voisey’s which we had to renegotiate, I tell
the Opposition Leader, Mr. Speaker. Not one job in the
Voisey’s Bay contract - not one job guaranteed, Mr.
Speaker. Thankfully we were able to correct that last
year and now have secured 8.9 million person hours of
work for the people of Newfoundland and Labrador, the
work of this government.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Now, Mr. Speaker, I am prepared to
debate their record on negotiating any time, but one
thing I am not prepared to do is engage in a negotiation
of a contract with anybody who is prepared to make an
investment in this Province on the floor of the House of
Assembly with somebody who does not have the facts.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
If the minister is out there
promoting this operation and trying to entice a new
operator for the pulp and paper mill in Grand
Falls-Windsor, I ask the minister, they must have
something that they are offering these companies.
I ask her again, Mr. Speaker:
Will the past power arrangement
that was held by Abitibi be available to a new operator
that is looking at coming into Grand Falls-Windsor?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Natural
Resources and Deputy Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, what we have to offer
are the people of the Central Region of the Province,
the people of Grand Falls-Windsor who have 100 years of
accumulated experience in operating our forest
operations in this Province and making pulp and paper.
What we have, Mr. Speaker, is a land and fibre three
times the size of P.E.I. that is available for
production here in the Province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Mr. Speaker, we do have access to
cheap industrial power. That is a pretty powerful
package to put on the table for anybody who is
considering an investment in this area.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Maybe I will put it to the
minister this way. If there is
a company interested in coming into Grand Falls-Windsor,
will there be a deal on the power? Will they have to now
go through Nalcor Corporation to negotiate a separate
power deal at a separate rate in order to be able to
operate, I ask the minister?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Natural
Resources and Deputy Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Absolutely! Absolutely, Mr. Speaker!
Mr. Speaker, the Leader of the
Opposition almost seems to me to be angry because
somebody has expressed an interest in doing something in
Grand Falls-Windsor.
Mr. Speaker, Nalcor is managing
those assets on behalf of the people in Newfoundland and
Labrador. We are a good place to invest and we have
shown that in three major oil deals that we have
negotiated with a value to this Province over the life
of those projects, Mr. Speaker, of $35 billion. So I
think we know a little bit about what we are doing over
here when we are negotiating with companies.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
We saw, Mr. Speaker, what this
government does when they negotiate with companies. That
is why we have two pulp and paper mills closed down in
this Province already, I say to the minister opposite.
That is why we have no industrial development on the
horizon right now, minister. If there is a company out
there serious, put it on the line, tell us what it is.
You are not even telling us if there is any power going
to available to them.
Let me ask you this:
Will the timber rights, Mr.
Speaker, that were held by Abitibi be available to any
other company that comes in to operate under those
conditions?
MS JOHNSON:
At least we have them.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Natural
Resources and Deputy Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Mr. Speaker, I want to reiterate a
point just made by my colleague, the Minister of
Environment and Conservation, at least we have them!
Because we would not have them –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
If we had left it to them we would
not have it. They stated that time and time and time
again in this House, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, we held 280,000 cubic
metres of wood so that we could use it for industrial
development in Central Newfoundland. Mr. Speaker, we
have a very good company coming out of Germany that have
expressed an interest in that fibre. Mr. Speaker, we are
going to follow that through and if something good can
come of it, we will take advantage of it. If it does not
work for the people of Central Newfoundland, Mr.
Speaker, if it does not work for the people of
Newfoundland and Labrador we will not be inking any
deals. We will wait until we get the right deal.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The questions are quite simple. We
know the government could not negotiate to keep Abitibi
in Grand Falls-Windsor. We are asking today, Mr.
Speaker, in a negotiation with another potential
customer, as the minister allows, if there is going to
any energy rights reserved, if there is going to be any
timber rights reserved, and they are not prepared to
answer those questions. Well, Mr. Speaker, let’s see if
she will answer this question.
I ask the minister, Mr. Speaker:
Are they committing to deal
with the environmental liabilities around that
particular mill before they do any deal with any
potential customers?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Natural
Resources and Deputy Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, let’s get one thing
straight. Abitibi was not looking for a deal in Grand
Falls Windsor. Abitibi was not looking for the people of
Newfoundland and the Government of Newfoundland and
Labrador to keep that mill operational. They were in
very, very serious problems, having very serious
problems, on the brink of bankruptcy, Mr. Speaker. They
would not talk to us, they were moved on. They had
bigger fish to fry. So let’s get that one straight first
Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, Corner Brook Pulp and
Paper are operational here in this Province, with
tremendous support from this government and providing
work to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador. We will
continue to support them where it makes sense to do so.
Mr. Speaker, there is no investor
going to come in and spend money in Newfoundland and
Labrador unless they can get a good return on that
investment. We are not interested in doing business with
stupid people, Mr. Speaker, and this company is not
stupid. So unless they get the deal they want, and we
get the deal we want, we will not be doing business.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Opposition.
MS JONES:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Great speeches but no answers.
I ask the minister again:
Are you committing to clean up the
environmental liabilities at this mill before signing on
with any company? Is that the commitment that you are
putting out there to these people today in order to
attract business?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Deputy Premier and
Minister of Natural Resources.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS DUNDERDALE:
Mr. Speaker, anybody who had any
understanding of how this work is done, anybody who had
any interest in seeing a successful investment in the
Central part of our region that would help grow that
economy again, will welcome the news that was announced
yesterday and do everything they can to support it.
Mr. Speaker, as I have said, it is
very early days and these questions have yet to be
determined. We do not have all of the answers. I said
that very clearly yesterday –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS DUNDERDALE:
– I am saying it again here in the
House of Assembly today, Mr. Speaker. We will find the
answers to these questions and when we have something in
terms of a package to put forward, with all of these
questions answered, we will be forthcoming with it, Mr.
Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House Leader.
MR. KELVIN PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, the federal
government is ready to roll its legislation for a single
national securities regulator to replace thirteen
separate regulators with thirteen separate sets of
rules.
I ask the Minister of Government
Services, Mr. Speaker: Will
this government be supporting or rejecting this
initiative by the federal government?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Government
Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. O’BRIEN:
Mr. Speaker, we have had a lot of
meetings over the last couple of years with regard to
security regulation in Canada and in regard to the
passport system. A lot of work has gone into the
passport system. We still support that passport system,
but we are very interested in regard to the process and
the proposed legislation that has now gone to the
Supreme Court of Canada for a ruling in regard to
security regulation. There are certain items that we
would want addressed before we would be able to support
that single regulator system in Canada. It has merit,
the same as the passport system, but we will wait to see
what the Supreme Court decision is and then we will make
decisions thereafter.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House Leader.
MR. KELVIN PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Notwithstanding any court
challenge, the federal government is ready for this to
roll now, as we speak.
In the past, the minister, Mr.
Speaker, responsible for this, Government Services
Minister, has stated that certain conditions had to be
met prior to agreeing to this new federal single
regulator, including the fact that there had to be a
regional office for the new regulator and compensation
to this Province for a loss of revenue.
Have these
conditions been met to date, as far as you are
concerned, minister?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Government
Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. O’BRIEN:
First off, to correct the hon. member
across the House who asked the question, Mr. Speaker, is
that this piece of legislation is tabled in the House of
Commons but it is not tabled as a piece of legislation.
It has not been given a number in the House of Commons,
it is therefore information only.
I had a conversation with the
Minister of Finance at about 7:30 yesterday evening in
regard to that piece. So now we will see what the
Supreme Court will rule in regard to if it is legal or
not to move forward on that piece of legislation. In the
meantime, during the summer months we will meet with the
minister in Ottawa at his request in regard to the items
that we want addressed before we would support that
piece of legislation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Opposition House Leader.
MR. KELVIN PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
While we do not have a very active
security sector compared to some provinces, Ontario,
Quebec and so on, and Alberta, we still have local
companies who raise investment capital within this
Province.
How will this
decision impact on their ability to raise needed public
equity capital?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Government
Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. O’BRIEN:
Mr. Speaker, the way the securities
regulation system works in Canada right now in regard to
Newfoundland and Labrador is that we engage a regulator
in one of the provinces that have regulators placed in
them. Then, in regard to those particular companies,
they deal with that single regulator in regard to the
process they have to go through.
In regard to this piece of
legislation in regard to the federal government is that
we derive about $7 million worth of revenue from the
security system in Canada as it sits today. We have to
have that protected as long - we would desire to have an
office placed in Newfoundland and Labrador as well in
that process.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Port de Grave.
MR. BUTLER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The MMSB issued a tender that was
advertised the weekend in The Telegram for a
turnkey operation for the compaction and redistribution
of used tires in the Dunville area.
I ask the minister:
What exactly is the purpose of
this tender? Will the Dunville storage yards close? Are
you looking for someone to move the tires and store them
elsewhere, or is there finally a proposal presented to
government that will address this problem once and for
all?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Minister of
Environment and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS JOHNSON:
Mr. Speaker, by my estimation we have
about five minutes left to Question Period, so perhaps a
minute per question.
Yes, there was a tender issued; we
are dealing with the tire issue. In the interim, we are
trying to develop whatever measures possible we can to
cut down on the costs that we spend there to store the
tires and provide security. This will further cut down
on the cost. They will be baled in a way that can be
used when the proposal that is before us hopefully comes
on stream. In terms of safety, this will be a more safe
method on a go-forward basis as well.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.
MS MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, the latest Student
Drug Survey reported that 12 per cent of Grade 12
students played video lottery terminals, or VLTs; a rate
that is twice as high as in the other Atlantic
Provinces. Mr. Speaker, this arena is not where we want
our students to be leading in the Atlantic Provinces.
Mr. Speaker, playing VLTs is not
the kind of entertainment we want our children to be
engaged in either. We do not want thirteen-year-olds
sneaking their parent’s credit cards to play the
machines.
Mr. Speaker, I ask the Minister of
Finance: What is this government going to do to deal
with the issue of the use of VLTs by children?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
Mr. Speaker, I read the in preamble
to the motion that we are going to debate later today
and moved by the Leader of the NDP, it referred to this
study. I must say I have some real difficulties with
those numbers because for that many junior high school
students and high school students to be actually
gambling on VLTs, they have to get into these bars. That
is prohibited and if that is the case then the police
are going to be asked to crack down on that in a major
way.
I really have some concerns with
some of the numbers in that study.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.
MS MICHAEL:
Well, Mr. Speaker, I have to ask the
minister if –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS MICHAEL:
- he is so concerned about the
figures in that study - and I am as well - and he has
known about that study for a couple of years, what is
the minister doing about the information that is in that
study? Has he taken any action to find out, number one,
if the numbers are correct - I have no reason to think
they are not - and, number two, how these young people
are getting to use the VLTs?
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Minister of Finance
and President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
Again, Mr. Speaker, for young people
to use the VLTs they would have to get into bars, which
is not allowed. It could be that they were referring to
on-line gambling. On-line gambling they can do in their
home and there is nothing we can do about that. We
cannot regulate that at all, unfortunately.
This information will, of course,
be provided to both the RNC and the RCMP and we will ask
for a report from them as to what is happening here.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.
MS MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I will be following up with the
minister on what he has just said, and I would like to
point out there are separate figures in the study with
regard to on-line gambling. There are two separate sets
of figures.
Mr. Speaker, the VLT action plan
is ending in March 2011 and there is no sign from
government of anything to take its place. The VLT
addiction rate remains unchanged over the period of the
last two prevalence studies. Mr. Speaker, this indicates
that the government has been ineffective in reducing the
rates of addiction amongst VLT users.
I ask the minister: What plan does
government have for discontinuing making money from
people who are addicted to VLTs?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
Mr. Speaker, we have had two
prevalence studies done, one in 2005 and one in 2009. In
2005, it showed that 90 per cent of the people were
either not gamblers and did not have any problems with
gambling. The 10 per cent were at risk, low risk, medium
risk and high risk. Of the high risk, the problem
gamblers were 1.2 per cent. That was done in 2005. In
the 2009 study, it dropped from 1.2 per cent down to 2.7
per cent and those numbers are – from what I understand
– pretty well on par with what is happening across the
country.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District
of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.
MS MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I will add to that to that
information that the minister said during my speaking to
the motion that will be on the floor of the House today
because there are many more figures to backup the fact
that we still have a continuing problem in this
Province.
Mr. Speaker, government is
responsible for the health and welfare of the people in
this Province, and yet, we have no one on the Atlantic
Lottery Corporation’s board representing those
interests. Mr. Speaker, I ask the minister if this
government will commit itself to nominating a
representative to the Atlantic Lottery Corporation board
from the Department of Health and Community Services.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MARSHALL:
Mr. Speaker, government has two
representatives on the board of ALC. One is Mr. Terry
Paddon, who is the Department Minister of Finance, and
the other is Mr. Kevin Breen, a former city councillor,
I believe, in the City of St. Johns.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The time allotted for Oral Questions
has expired.